Electric field of an infinitely long wire with radius R

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric field and potential of an infinitely long wire with radius R, using concepts from electrostatics, specifically the Poisson equation and Laplacian in cylindrical coordinates.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the electric field and potential, questioning the application of the Laplacian in cylindrical coordinates and the implications of different unit systems (SI vs. cgs). There are inquiries about the validity of results inside and outside the wire.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct form of the Laplacian and the need to consider different regions of the wire. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of the Poisson equation and the relationship between electric field and potential.

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Participants note the potential confusion arising from the problem's wording regarding units and the regions of interest for the electric field and potential calculations.

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Calculate the potential and check if it satisfies the poisson equation.
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Hi,

I don't know if I have calculated the electric field correctly in task a, because I get different values for the Poisson equation from task b

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The flow of the electric field only passes through the lateral surface, so ##A=2\pi \varrho L## I calculated the enclosed charge as follows ##q=\rho_0 \pi R^2 L## then I obtained the following electric field ##E=\frac{\rho_0 R^2}{2 \varrho \epsilon_0 }##

For the potential I got the following ##\phi=\frac{\rho_0 R^2}{2 \epsilon_0} \ln{\frac{\varrho }{R}}##

For the Poisson equation I then get ##-\Delta \phi=\frac{\rho_0 R^2}{2 \epsilon_0 \varrho^2 }##

Unfortunately, I don't know what I've done wrong, which also makes me wonder why the task only says ##4 \pi \rho## without the ##\epsilon_0##
 
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Did you use the right form for the Laplacian? Remember you're working in cylindrical coordinates.

For the problem as a whole, you also need to consider the region inside the wire.
 
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Lambda96 said:
. . . which also makes me wonder why the task only says ##4 \pi \rho## without the ##\epsilon_0##
That's probably because the textbook where you found this is using cgs units. What does the expression for Coulomb's law look like?
 
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vela said:
For the problem as a whole, you also need to consider the region inside the wire.
I thought about that but the problem in part (b) asks about the potential in the region outside the wire as deduced from the limits of integration. Of course, the Poisson equation is trivially satisfied in that region.

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Thank you vela and kuruman for your help 👍👍

Since the potential depends only on the radius, the Laplacian in cylindrical coordinates has the following form ##\frac{1}{\varrho} \frac{\partial}{\partial \varrho} \Bigl( \varrho \frac{\partial f}{\partial \varrho} \Bigr)##

Because of the limits for the integral, I also assumed that only the electric field and potential outside the wire is required

I then applied the Laplacian to the potential and got the following:

$$\frac{1}{\varrho} \frac{\partial}{\partial \varrho} \Bigl( \varrho \frac{\partial f}{\partial \varrho} \Bigr) \frac{\rho_0 R^2}{2 \epsilon_0} \ln{\frac{\varrho}{R}}=\frac{1}{\varrho} \frac{\partial}{\partial \varrho} \frac{\rho_0 R^2}{2 \epsilon_0}=0$$

Can it be that ##-\Delta \phi=4 \pi \rho## is valid for the inside of the wire?
 
I have now completed the calculation for the electric field and the potential within the wire. Then calculated the Laplacian and converted the result from SI to cgs and have now got ##4 \pi \rho_0##
 

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