Electric field of bent non conducting rod

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The problem involves a non-conducting rod with a uniformly distributed charge, -Q, bent into a 120° circular arc of radius R. Participants are tasked with determining the linear charge density, the electric field at the origin due to the arc, and the comparison of this field to that produced by a point charge at a specific location.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of linear charge density and the setup of integrals for electric field contributions. There are attempts to evaluate the electric field using trigonometric identities and integration techniques. Some participants express uncertainty about interpreting part (c) of the problem, specifically regarding the relationship between the electric fields from the arc and the point charge.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with some participants offering guidance on breaking down the arc into infinitesimal elements and calculating contributions to the electric field. There is acknowledgment of the complexity of part (c), with some clarification provided by peers. Overall, the conversation reflects a collaborative effort to understand the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering symmetry in the problem and the potential for errors in integrating the electric field components. There is a mention of a test approaching, which adds urgency to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


You are given a non conducting rod carrying uniformly distributed charge, -Q, that has been bent into a 120° circular arc of radius, R. The axis of symmetry of the arc lies along the x-axis and the origin is at the center of curvature of the arc.
(a) in terms of Q and R, what is the linear charge density, λ?
(b) in terms of Q and R, what is the magnitude and direction the the resulting electric field at the origin?
(c)If the arc is replaced by a point particle carrying charge, -Q, at x=R, by what factor is the resulting electric field at the origin multiplied?

Homework Equations


λ=Q/L
E=KQ/R2
dq=λds
ds=Rdθ

The Attempt at a Solution


(a) λ=Q/L, λ=Q/(⅓2piR) = 3Q/2piR

(b) Cant seem to figure out how to write an integral with bounds. The bounds on my integral below will be from θ=0° → θ=60°
E=2∫dEx=2∫kλdθcosθ/R = 2kλ/R ∫cosθdθ (Like previously stated this integral is being evaluated from θ=0° to θ=60°)
E=(2kλ/R)[sin60°-sin0°] = (kλ√3)/R, it wants in terms of R and Q so now plug in our above statement for λ
E=(3kQ√3)/2piR2

(c) I am a little unsure about what this is asking, from my understanding:
to obtain the new electric field from a point particle which is simply kQ/R2 we must multiply the previous electric field from bent rod by a factor of 2pi/3√3. Not sure if this is correct or if I'm thinking about the question in the wrong way.
Any help would be much appreciated
Thanks!
 
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Consider subdividing the 120o arc into infinitesimal elements ##ds##.
1. What is the charge on one of these elements?
2. What is the electric field contribution ##dE## from this charge element to the point of interest?
3. Add all such contributions to find the net electric field. Remember that the electric field element ##dE## is a vector so you have to find its components and add them separately.

Part (c) is asking this: Say the field due to the arc is ##E_0##, If you replace the arc by a single charge -Q at distance ##R##, you will get another field ##E_1##. If you write an equation relating the two as ##E_1=\alpha E_0##, what is the value of constant ##\alpha##?
 
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kuruman said:
Consider subdividing the 120o arc into infinitesimal elements ##ds##.
1. What is the charge on one of these elements?
2. What is the electric field contribution ##dE## from this charge element to the point of interest?
3. Add all such contributions to find the net electric field. Remember that the electric field element ##dE## is a vector so you have to find its components and add them separately.

Part (c) is asking this: Say the field due to the arc is ##E_0##, If you replace the arc by a single charge -Q at distance ##R##, you will get another field ##E_1##. If you write an equation relating the two as ##E_1=\alpha E_0##, what is the value of constant ##\alpha##?
Okay, Ill work on this and post my results! Thanks!
 
Answering is easy when people make mistakes. It’s much harder when everything seems perfect. I’m too lazy to really check every factor of 2 or pi, so I may be mistaken, but this looks really good to me. What has you worried?
 
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Cutter Ketch said:
Answering is easy when people make mistakes. It’s much harder when everything seems perfect. I’m too lazy to really check every factor of 2 or pi, so I may be mistaken, but this looks really good to me. What has you worried?
Yea just part c, wasn't sure what it was asking but @kuruman helped me out with that one. Just have a test in a few days and want to make sure I'm doing these problems correctly. Always love reassurance! LOL
 
You saw the symmetry and ignored the y component. You also used symmetry to cut the integral in half. You integrated in theta and didn’t forget the extra R.

I don’t think you have much to worry about, but I’ll wish you good luck anyway.
 
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