Electric Field Outside a Uniformly Charged Spherical Shell

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the electric field outside a uniformly charged spherical shell is equivalent to that produced by a point charge located at the center of the shell. The subject area pertains to electrostatics, specifically focusing on electric fields and charge distributions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of Coulomb's Law to derive the electric field, with some expressing difficulty in avoiding Gauss's Law. There are discussions about the symmetry of the electric field and whether proving the equality of the electric field at the surface to that of a point charge at the center constitutes a valid proof.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various attempts to approach the problem, with one participant successfully using Mathematica for integration. Others acknowledge the complexity of the problem and suggest alternative methods, such as computing potential to find the electric field.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the challenge of solving the problem without Gauss's Law, while others reference the context of the problem being from an introductory chapter on Coulomb Forces and Electric Field Intensity.

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Homework Statement


Show that the electric field E outside a spherical shell of uniform charge density ρs is the same as due to the total charge on the shell located at the centre.

Homework Equations


Using only Coulomb's Law
E=Q/4πε0 ar

The Attempt at a Solution


If i assumed it as circular disc, ρ will increase indefinitely as radius decreases.
Many examples shown proof using Gauss's Law but this is a question from first chapter on Coulomb Forces and Electric Field Intensity.
 
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Very difficult to do if you can't use Gauss's law! Hope you're good at integration ...
 
Thanks. I guess it won't be so difficult since it is question no# 10. I've done the rest till no #20.
From notes:
The force field in the region of isolated of charge Q is spherically symmetric.

Is by proving the E at the surface equal to E if Q is placed at the center, then we prove the given statement?
 
azizlwl said:
The force field in the region of isolated of charge Q is spherically symmetric.
Is by proving the E at the surface equal to E if Q is placed at the center, then we prove the given statement?
Yes. If you can determine E at the surface without Gauss then I agree that constitutes proof.
 
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Finally i got it. Using Mathematica for the integral part.

dE= dQ/4πε0 aR/R2
dQ=ρr2Sinθ dθ dΦ
R2=z2+r2-2rzCosθ - Using Cosine Law
Zaz=(z-rCosθ)az - both x and y-axis cancel.

E=∫ ∫ ρr2Sinθ dθ dΦ (z-rCos) /(4πε0 az/R3/2
θ - 0 to π
Φ-0 to 2π
E=ρ2πr2/4πε0∫Sinθ(z-rCosθ)/(r2+z2-2zrcosθ)3/2

Using Mathematica the integral , I
I=-(r-z)/z2 Ir-zI + (r+z)/z2Ir+zI
If z<r, I=0 then E=0 , inside the shell.
If z>r, I=2/z2 then E=ρ4πr2/4πε0z2=Q/4πε0 az/z2
 
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azizlwl said:
Finally i got it. Using Mathematica for the integral part.

dE= dQ/4πε0 aR/R2
dQ=ρr2Sinθ dθ dΦ
R2=z2+r2-2rzCosθ - Using Cosine Law
Zaz=(z-rCosθ)az - both x and y-axis cancel.

E=∫ ∫ ρr2Sinθ dθ dΦ (z-rCos) /(4πε0 az/R3/2
θ - 0 to π
Φ-0 to 2π
E=ρ2πr2/4πε0∫Sinθ(z-rCosθ)/(r2+z2-2zrcosθ)3/2

Using Mathematica the integral , I
I=-(r-z)/z2 Ir-zI + (r+z)/z2Ir+zI
If z<r, I=0 then E=0 , inside the shell.
If z>r, I=2/z2 then E=ρ4πr2/4πε0z2=Q/4πε0 az/z2
This is very impressive! Fine work.
I was wondering if it would have been a bit easier to compute the potential, then E = -∇V. Might try it myself. But your work looks fine, congrats!
 
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rude man said:
This is very impressive! Fine work.
I was wondering if it would have been a bit easier to compute the potential, then E = -∇V. Might try it myself. But your work looks fine, congrats!
Thank you. Just started reading electromagnetic with Coulombs law.
 

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