Electric Fields: Sodium Ions pumped

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of electric fields in the context of sodium ions being actively transported across a cell membrane. The problem involves understanding the potential difference, work done in moving ions, and the characteristics of the electric field within the membrane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the potential difference across the membrane and question which side has a higher potential. There is an exploration of the relationship between voltage, charge, and work done in moving ions. Some participants suggest using specific equations related to electric fields and work.

Discussion Status

Some participants have reached conclusions about the potential difference, while others are still grappling with the correct equations to apply. There is a mix of confirmed understanding and ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

The problem does not provide specific equations, and participants are navigating the assumptions regarding the electric field and the work required to move ions across the membrane.

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Homework Statement


Living cells actively “pump” positive sodium ions (Na+) from inside the cell to outside
the cell. It’s called pumping because it requires work to move the ions from the
negatively charged inner surface of the cell membrane to the positively charged outer
surface. It is estimated that as much as 20% of the energy we consume in a resting state
is used in this sodium pumping. The potential difference across the membrane is 0.070V,
and the membrane is 0.10μm thick.
a.) Which is at higher potential, the inside or outside of the membrane?
b.) How much work has to be done to move one sodium ion from inside the
membrane to outside?
c.) If the thickness of the membrane were doubled, how much work would it require
to pump out one sodium ion?
d.) Assuming the E field is constant in the membrane, what is the magnitude and
direction of the E field between the inside and outside of the membrane?



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The Attempt at a Solution


I have attempted this but I am having trouble starting out correctly. Like which is the proper equation to use...my general understanding is not jump starting this problem.
 
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First of all they give you the answer to a) don't they?
So what is that?

Second of all if you know the voltage change and you know the charge don't you know the work required to affect the ion transfer?
 
Yea I now know A, which is outside. And the equation I am using is the work function W=qEd...assuming q is the charge of the ion,1. then E=V/d...plugging all that in gets me back to the original voltage of .070V.
 
More to the point, don't you think, work is q*ΔV, since work is over the distance?
 

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