Electric flux calculatio in case of a cube

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The problem involves calculating the electric flux through a cube given an electric field defined by the equation Ex=800 x^2 N/C, with Ey and Ez equal to zero. The side length of the cube is assumed to be 0.1 m.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric flux through a specific face of the cube and explore the dot product involved in the calculation. Questions arise regarding the treatment of unit vectors and the implications of the electric field's direction on different faces of the cube.

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The discussion is active, with participants clarifying the mathematical steps involved in the flux calculation and questioning the assumptions about the electric field on different cube faces. Some guidance has been provided regarding the dot product and the nature of the electric field across the cube's surfaces.

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There is uncertainty regarding the electric field's value on the EFGH face of the cube, as it has not been explicitly provided. Participants are considering the implications of this missing information on the overall flux calculation.

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Homework Statement


the electric field components in the figure below are Ex=800 x^2 N/C ,Ey=Ez=0 calculate the flux through the cube
a=assume 0.1 m
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The Attempt at a Solution


here flux of cube =flux through ABCD
=800a^2 i^.a^2 i^
=800a^4
=800 × (0.1)^4
=8×10^2 ×10^-4
=8 ×10^-2 Nm^2/C
But I don't understand this step =800a^4
I want to know how to proceed from 800a^2 i^.a^2 i^.
 
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gracy said:
I want to know how to proceed from 800a^2 i^.a^2 i^.
That's just a dot product between the E field on the ABCD plane, ##800a^2 \hat{i}##, and the area vector of this plane, ##a^2 \hat{i}##,
$$
800a^2 \hat{i} \cdot a^2 \hat{i} = 800a^4 (\hat{i} \cdot \hat{i}) = 800a^4
$$
with ##\hat{i} \cdot \hat{i}=1##.
 
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Thanks again!
blue_leaf77 said:
800a2i^⋅a2i^=800a4(i^⋅i^)
so do we take i/j/k separately?
 
gracy said:
so do we take i/j/k separately?
We don't normally call them to be "separately", ##\hat{i}##, ##\hat{j}##, and ##\hat{k}## are unit vectors along the x, y, and z directions, respectively. In Cartesian coordinate, these three directions are perpendicular to each other, so, if you take a dot product between any two vectors along any two of these three directions, it must equal zero. Remember the dot product formula between vectors ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}##, ##\mathbf{A} \cdot \mathbf{B} = |\mathbf{A}||\mathbf{B}|\cos \alpha##, with ##\alpha## the angle between ##\mathbf{A}## and ##\mathbf{B}##. The angles between ##\hat{i}##, ##\hat{j}##, and ##\hat{k}## are always ##90^0## hence the dot product between them must be zero.
 
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OK.One more doubt from this problem
gracy said:
flux of cube =flux through ABCD
WHY?
why can not it be flux through EFGH as well?
gracy said:
Ex=800 x^2 N/C ,Ey=Ez=0
Here it is not mentioned that E negative x is also zero.
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I thought it was already known to you when you write
gracy said:
here flux of cube =flux through ABCD
.
If I were to write the more complete expression of the total flux going through the cube, it will be
$$
\oint \mathbf{E} \cdot d\mathbf{a} = \int_1 \mathbf{E_1} \cdot d\mathbf{a}_1 + \int_2 \mathbf{E}_2 \cdot d\mathbf{a}_2 + \ldots + \int_6 \mathbf{E}_6 \cdot d\mathbf{a}_6
$$
where the integrals on the RHS account for the six surfaces of the cube. However since the E field is along the x direction, only two of those six integrals will survive upon the dot product with the area vector. Let's suppose that the surfaces ABCD and EFGH are the first and second integrals above, respectively. Then it becomes
$$
\oint \mathbf{E} \cdot d\mathbf{a} = E(ABCD) a^2 - E(EFGH) a^2
$$
What is the electric field in the EFGH plane?
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
∮E⋅da=E(ABCD)a2−E(EFGH)a2
Why is there subtraction?because of i^.-i^ i.e 1mltiplied by cos 180 degrees i.e -1?
 
blue_leaf77 said:
What is the electric field in the EFGH plane?
Not given.
 
That's why you have to calculate it. The field has the form of ##E_x = 800x^2##, now what is ##x## equal to for the EFGH plane?
 
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gracy said:
Why is there subtraction?because of i^.-i^ i.e 1mltiplied by cos 180 degrees i.e -1?
is this right?
 
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gracy said:
Why is there subtraction?because of i^.-i^ i.e 1mltiplied by cos 180 degrees i.e -1?
Yes, that's correct.
 
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blue_leaf77 said:
now what is xx equal to for the EFGH plane?
it's zero.So E=0 for EFGH plane.And therefore
flux of cube =flux through ABCD.Right?
 
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gracy said:
it's zero.So E=0 for EFGH plane
Right.
 
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Thanks .
 

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