Electric potential at the origin

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential at the origin due to equal charges placed at intervals along the equator of a sphere. The sphere has a radius of 65 cm, and the charges are positioned at 60-degree intervals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the electric potential formula and question the placement of charges based on angular intervals. There is confusion regarding the calculation of potential at different points, such as the north pole, and the interpretation of distance in relation to the geometry of the sphere.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly concerning the number of charges and the distances involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the superposition principle and the symmetry of the charge distribution, but there is no explicit consensus on the calculations or the reasoning behind certain values.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the geometry of the sphere, particularly the relationship between the radius and the distances to various points on the sphere. There are also references to external resources that provide differing information, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A sphere with radius 65 cm has its center at
the origin. Equal charges of 4 μC are placed at
60◦ intervals along the equator of the sphere.

What is the electric potential at the origin?


Homework Equations



V=KQ/R

The Attempt at a Solution



I just plug the numbers in this equation but no good.
I think it might have to do with the degree sign or its on the origin.
Note: I did not do sine or cosine for the degree because my notes did not show any sine or cosine for electric potential.
 
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I just plug the numbers in this equation but no good.
Will you show this calculation?
In the interval of 60 degrees, how many charges you can place on the equator?
 
V=(9*10^9)(4*10^-6)/(.65)

however i looked at cramster and it said

V=6(9*10^9)(4*10^-6)/(.65)
why is that?
is it because charges can be at 10 degree difference so 60/10 = 6 charges?
 
physics10189 said:
V=(9*10^9)(4*10^-6)/(.65)

however i looked at cramster and it said

V=6(9*10^9)(4*10^-6)/(.65)
why is that?
is it because charges can be at 10 degree difference so 60/10 = 6 charges?

No. 360 degrees/60 degrees. Total angle subtended by the radius at the center of the circle is 360 degrees.
 
If this is true about 360/60
then what about this question
What is the electric potential at the north pole?

So 360/90= 4 however this is not true in cramster

I use 90 degree because that is the angle from the origin to north

but cramster do not use that

they use the same degree 60 and change r to

0.65m*sqrt(2m)

why is it sqrt(2) and why 6 still?
 
Equal charges of 4 μC are placed at
60◦ intervals along the equator of the sphere.

The charges are placed at the interval of 60 degrees.
What is the electric potential at the north pole?
They have asked the potential at the center only.

0.65m*sqrt(2m) And from where you got this term?
 
So what does Interval mean??

The north pole question is another question I would like to ask

and cramster got that new r value for the solution
 
physics10189 said:
So what does Interval mean??

The north pole question is another question I would like to ask

and cramster got that new r value for the solution

You have state the complete problem.
If you divide the circle into six equal part, each part will make an angle sixty degrees at the center. Therefore there are six charges on the equator.When you want to find the potential at the pole, the distance between the equator and the pole is 0.65*sqrt2 m
 
Well how do you know the distance is .65 sqrt(2) m?
 
  • #10
According to the superposition principle, potentials add arithmetically. That means if you have 2 charges and charge 1 would create a potential P1 in isolation, and charge 2 would create P2 in isolation, the total potential would be P1+P2. The superposition principle applies no matter how many charges you have; in this case, you have 6, and due to symmetry they all create the same potential. All you have to do is find the potential created by one of the charges and multiply the result by six.
 
  • #11
physics10189 said:
Well how do you know the distance is .65 sqrt(2) m?

It's calculated, with the help of a diagram. You know the distance from the center to the sphere's surface, and you know the distance from the center to the pole, so what's the straight-line distance from the surface to the pole?
 
  • #12
Well I have no clue what you are talking about the first reply
could you explain it better?

For the second reply
I believe this could he a 30 60 triangle

but its sides are 1:2:sqrt(3)

could you tell me why it is sqrt (2) instead?
 
  • #13
In a sphere distance from the center to the equator and distance from center to the pole is equal and it is equal to R ( radius of the sphere). These distances are perpendicular to each other. Hence distance between any point on the equator to the pole is d = ( R^2 + R^2)^1/2
 

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