Electric potential at the vertex of a triangle

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential at the vertex of a right triangle with a uniform surface charge density. The original poster attempts to derive the potential at vertex P, which is located at the origin, by considering contributions from vertical strips of charge.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, questioning the use of angle θ and suggesting that the height of the strip should be expressed differently. There is a suggestion to express the area element in terms of y and x, and to reconsider the integration variable.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's approach, providing guidance on how to correctly express the dimensions of the charge strips and suggesting alternative methods such as using polar coordinates. There is no explicit consensus yet, as various interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Some participants note that the angle θ is fixed, which raises questions about the original poster's assumptions regarding the integration variables and the geometry of the problem.

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I am stuck with this problem:

The right triangle shown with vertex P at the origin has base b, altitude a, and uniform density of surface charge σ. Determine the potential at the vertex P. First find the contribution of the vertical strip of width dx at x. Show that the potential at P can be written as $$\phi_P= (σb/4π \varepsilon_o)ln[(1+sinθ)/cosθ]$$
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What I have done so far:

A tiny box of the strip has width dx and height $$rd\theta$$ so its contribution to P is
\begin{equation}
d\phi = \frac{(\sigma)(dx)(rd\theta)}{4 \pi \varepsilon_o r}=\frac{(\sigma)(dx)(d\theta)}{4 \pi \varepsilon_o }
\end{equation}
So the contribution of the entire strip would be
\begin{equation}
\frac{\sigma dx}{4 \pi \varepsilon_o}\int_0^{arctan(\frac{a}{b})} d\theta = \frac{\sigma dx}{4 \pi \varepsilon_o} arctan(\frac{a}{b})
\end{equation}
So the potential, $$\phi$$ would be:
\begin{equation}
\phi = \frac{\sigma}{4 \pi \varepsilon_o} arctan(\frac{a}{b}) \int_0^b dx = b\frac{\sigma}{4 \pi \varepsilon_o} arctan(\frac{a}{b})
\end{equation}
But this is clearly not the answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
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Look at the drawing. Angle θ is fixed, so dθ has no meaning here. The height of the strip is better represented as y and the area element as dA = y dx. Then express y in terms of x (it's a straight line) and integrate. Of course, first you need to find the potential of a line of charge of length y at perpendicular distance x from one of its ends.
 
math4everyone said:
A tiny box of the strip has width dx and height $$rd\theta$$
As kuruman pointed out, ##\theta## is a fixed angle.

Maybe you were thinking of using a variable angle ##\varphi##, say, as shown in the attached figure below.
But, note that the height, ##dy##, of the small box is not equal to ##r d\varphi##.

Can you see how to express ##dy## in terms of ##r d\varphi## and an appropriate trig function of ##\varphi##? If so, then you can let the integration variable for the vertical strip be ##\varphi## and it should simplify nicely.
 

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You probably could see the area of your element as dydx and integrate your potential function over the entire surface (one tip: try using polar coordinates).
 

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