Electric Potential Difference on a Cone

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The discussion focuses on calculating the electric potential difference between the vertex and the center of the top of a conical surface carrying a uniform surface charge density, σ. The user employs Griffith's "Intro to Electrodynamics" and utilizes the equation for electric potential, integrating over the surface area of the cone. The user encounters difficulties in determining the differential area element, da', and ultimately seeks guidance on evaluating the integral for the potential difference. A suggestion is made to slice the cone into rings to simplify the integration process.

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Homework Statement


I'm working out of Griffith's "Intro to Electrodynamics" and the problem states: "A conical surface (an empty ice-cream cone) carries a surface charge \sigma. The height of the cone is h as is the radius of the top. Find the potential difference between points a (the vertex) and b (the center of the top).


2. Homework Equations and Attempt at a solution
So, since this is the chapter that I'm in, I'm going to use
\[V(R)=\frac{\sigma }{4\pi \varepsilon _{0}}\int _{S}\frac{da{}'}{R}\].
Now since a is at the vertex I chose
\[\vec{a}=0\] and \[\vec{b}=h\hat{z}\].
Thus the equation would become
\[V(\mathbf{b})-V(\mathbf{a})=\frac{\sigma }{4\pi \varepsilon _{0}}\int _{S}\left [ \frac{{da}'}{\sqrt{(h-{z}')^2+{s}'^2}} -\frac{{da}'}{\sqrt{{z}'^2+{s}'^2}}\right ]\]
Now da' is what I was having a little trouble attaining, so I thought the best place to start would be with the surface area of the cone:
\[a'=\pi s\sqrt{s^2+z^2}\]
but since the radius s is equal to the height z in our case the formula becomes
\[a'=\pi s\sqrt{s^2+s^2}=\sqrt{2}\pi s^2\].
Now since fractions of this area can be represented by multiplying in terms of the angle that determines the fraction of area,
\[\frac{\theta }{2\pi }\].
Thus \[a'=(\sqrt{2}\pi s^2)\cdot (\frac{\theta }{2\pi })=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}s^2\theta \]
and if I consider the angle to be small
\[a'=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}s^2d\theta \].
Now to find the differential area I should subtract to get
\[da&#039;=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}(s+ds)^2d\theta -\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}s^2d\theta=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}d\theta(s^2+sds+ds^2-s^2)=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}sdsd\theta\]<br />
since ds^2 is to small to matter.
The main equation then becomes:
\[V(\mathbf{b})-V(\mathbf{a})=\frac{\sigma }{4\pi \varepsilon _{0}}\int _{S}\left [ \frac{{da}&#039;}{\sqrt{(h-{z}&#039;)^2+{s}&#039;^2}} -\frac{{da}&#039;}{\sqrt{{z}&#039;^2+{s}&#039;^2}}\right ]=\frac{\sigma }{4\pi \varepsilon _{0}}\int _{S}\left [ \frac{1}{\sqrt{(h-{s}&#039;)^2+{s}&#039;^2}} -\frac{1}{\sqrt{{s}&#039;^2+{s}&#039;^2}}\right ](\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}{s}&#039;{ds}&#039;{d\theta}&#039; )\] \[=\frac{\sqrt{2}\sigma }{8\pi \varepsilon _{0}}\int_{0}^{2\pi }\int_{0}^{h}\left ( \frac{{s}&#039;}{\sqrt{(h-{s}&#039;)^2+{s}&#039;^2}}-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2} \right ){ds}&#039;{d\theta}&#039; \]
\[=\frac{\sqrt{2}\sigma }{4\varepsilon _{0}} [(-hln({s}&#039;-h)+\frac{{s}&#039;^3}{3}+{s}&#039;)|_{0}^{h}-\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}h]\]
but the above does not converge when evaluated so I'm at a loss. This isn't for a class or anything, I'm just self studying so answer at your convenience.
 
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Try slicing the cone along the vertical axis into rings of area dA = 2\pi s dz where s = radius of the ring at height z, which is a linear function of z. So each ring carries a charge that is proportional to z. That should be easy to integrate.

AM
 

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