Electric potential energy graph

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The discussion revolves around the concept of electric potential energy in the context of graphs representing potential energy for different charge configurations. The original poster explores the implications of negative potential energy values and how they relate to the separation of charges.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the comparison of potential energy values between two curves representing different charge magnitudes. They question whether direct comparisons can be made between the curves or if the magnitudes of the negative values must be considered. Other participants contribute by discussing the significance of the curve positions and the reference point of zero potential energy.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of potential energy values and their graphical representations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the reference point of zero potential energy, but multiple interpretations and questions remain unresolved.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of comparing potential energy values across different charge configurations and the implications of the chosen reference point for potential energy.

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I understand the concept of negative potential energy value because it's chosen to be 0 at infinity. So considering two positive charges, as separation r increases, the potential energy V decreases.

When there's one positive and negative charge, as r increases, V increases. So from the graph, curve one, the potential energy at b is larger than at a (less negative), which makes sense to me. But I'm confused when comparing curve 1 and 2, where curve 2 involves larger charges, some multiple of curve 1. If there are larger charges, the potential energy in curve 2 larger (less negative) than that in curve 1. For example, for the potential energy at b, shouldn't the potential energy in curve 2 larger than -5? Can we compare it directly like we do for the same curve? or do we have to look at the magnitude of the negative value? but if so, how come we can compare directly the potential energy in the same curve with the value on the graph, while we can't compare different curve directly?

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The change in potential energy in going from position a to b is larger for curve 2 than for curve 1. So all is wonderful !
 
So the position of the curve doesn't really mean anything?
 
For the most part the position doesn't matter except as you noted, that it's often chosen so that the potential goes to zero at infinity.
 

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