Electric Potential Energy of a System of Charges

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The problem involves calculating the electric potential energy of a system of four charges, each with charge +Q, positioned at the corners of a square with side length a. The original poster seeks to express the total electric potential energy in terms of the variables a, Q, and appropriate constants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the total electric potential energy by considering the contributions from each charge and multiplying by four. They express confusion regarding a numerical multiplier in their final answer. Other participants question the method of counting interactions and suggest a different approach to account for the work done in bringing each charge into the system.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one suggesting a reevaluation of the counting of interactions. The original poster acknowledges the feedback and revises their calculation, seeking confirmation on the new expression derived.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the counting of interactions between charges, which may affect the calculation of electric potential energy. The original poster's initial approach may have overlooked the proper accounting for these interactions.

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Homework Statement



A square of side a has a charge +Q at each corner. What is the electric potential energy of this system of charges?

Express your answer in terms of the variables a, Q and appropriate constants.

Homework Equations



U=kq1q2/r

The Attempt at a Solution



I figured I could find the electric potential energy of one charge and multiply this quantity by 4 to obtain the total electric potential energy of the system. Here's what I did:

U = 2(kQ2/a) + kQ2/sqrt(2)*a (1)

How this makes sense to me:
2(kQ2/a) -----> this part is for two of the +Q charges, one parallel to the charge we're looking at and the other is perpendicular. The distance between the charges is a.

kQ2/sqrt(2)*a ------> this part is for the +Q charge that is diagonal from the charge we're looking at. The distance separating them is sqrt (a2+a2) which simplifies to sqrt(2)*a

Then I took (1) and multplied it by 4. I simplified the expression and ended up with
U = (8+sqrt(8)kQ2)/a
When I inputted this answer, I got a message saying "Your answer either contains an incorrect numerical multiplier or is missing one."

Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong?
 
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Woops sorry, the line that says U = (8+sqrt(8)kQ2)/a is supposed to say:

U = ((8+sqrt(8))kQ2)/a
 
That is incorrect. Note that you're counting every interaction twice!

Try it like this:
When you bring in the first charge from infinity, you do 0 work, since there's no force to oppose you.

When you bring the second charge in from infinity, you have to do work against the E field of the first charge.

For the third, you have two charges opposing the motion, and for the last, you've got 3.

See where that gets you, you'll be surprised at how close you were.
 
Oh I see...that makes sense. You're right, I was counting each interaction twice. I worked on the problem again and got (4+sqrt(2))kQ2/a...can anyone confirm this?
 

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