Electrical Resistance or Conductance of Carbon Dioxide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the electrical resistance or conductance of carbon dioxide (CO2), particularly in the context of a proposed science experiment involving a CO2 laser. Participants explore the properties of CO2 as an insulator and its implications for the experiment, which aims to utilize back EMF current from an inductor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that CO2's resistance may be similar to that of the atmosphere, seeking an estimation at standard room temperature and pressure.
  • Another participant asserts that pure CO2 is a perfect insulator, implying its resistance would be infinite.
  • A different participant challenges the notion of infinite resistance, referencing a specific resistivity value for the atmosphere.
  • One participant expresses the need for expensive equipment to measure the resistivity of CO2 or air due to their high resistivity.
  • Another participant discusses the need for ionization of the gas to operate the CO2 laser, suggesting that non-ionized resistance may not be relevant.
  • One participant mentions the importance of dielectric breakdown voltage in the context of the experiment, noting that CO2's breakdown voltage is slightly less than that of air.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the electrical properties of CO2, particularly regarding its resistance and the relevance of ionization. There is no consensus on the exact resistance or conductance of CO2, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for specific experimental conditions and equipment, highlighting the complexity of measuring the electrical properties of gases like CO2. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of gases under different conditions.

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I wanted to do a science experiment and it is very important that i learn the electrical resistance of carbon dioxide. From what i would guess, this may be wrong, but carbon dioxide and the atmosphere on Earth probably have a similar electric resistance due to the fact carbon dioxide already exists in our atmosphere. Also another point I would like it to be at standard room temperature and standard pressure at 14.7 psi or just a rough estimation will suffice thank you.
 
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I am not sure what your goal is, but CO2 is not an ion. So a sample of gas of pure CO2 would be a perfect insulator. Its resistance would be infinity.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
I am not sure what your goal is, but CO2 is not an ion. So a sample of gas of pure CO2 would be a perfect insulator. Its resistance would be infinity.
I thought their is no infinite resistance in the universe for example i know the atmosphere on Earth is approximately 2^16 ohms/meter is it's resistivity so i don't know
 
electric jake said:
I wanted to do a science experiment and it is very important that i learn the electrical resistance of carbon dioxide. From what i would guess, this may be wrong, but carbon dioxide and the atmosphere on Earth probably have a similar electric resistance due to the fact carbon dioxide already exists in our atmosphere. Also another point I would like it to be at standard room temperature and standard pressure at 14.7 psi or just a rough estimation will suffice thank you.
electric jake said:
I thought their is no infinite resistance in the universe for example i know the atmosphere on Earth is approximately 2^16 ohms/meter is it's resistivity so i don't know
Welcome to the PF.

Can you say what the experiment is? The resistivity of air or CO2 is so high that it would take very expensive equipment to measure it.
 
berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF.

Can you say what the experiment is? The resistivity of air or CO2 is so high that it would take very expensive equipment to measure it.
i was planning on using the back EMF current produced by a inductor to power a high powered CO2 laser but i am using a relay to activate the laser and i was wondering what the resistance/resistivity of carbon dioxide because it will act like a current source and would flow through the branch with the lowest resistance so if the carbon dioxide has greater resistance than that of the air between the contact leads of the relay this experiment won't work. I didn't intend anyone to do a experiment but maybe find or reference someone who has already measured the resistance/resistivity of carbon dioxide
 
electric jake said:
i was planning on using the back EMF current produced by a inductor to power a high powered CO2 laser but i am using a relay to activate the laser and i was wondering what the resistance/resistivity of carbon dioxide because it will act like a current source and would flow through the branch with the lowest resistance so if the carbon dioxide has greater resistance than that of the air between the contact leads of the relay this experiment won't work. I didn't intend anyone to do a experiment but maybe find or reference someone who has already measured the resistance/resistivity of carbon dioxide
I'm no expert on lasers, but I'm pretty sure you need to ionize the gas with high voltage to get things going. So the non-ionized resistance would not seem to come into play here (but I could be wrong). You should be looking at ionization energies and the Paschen curve for ionization at different gas pressures.

This is an interesting resource page I found listed in the Wikipedia article on CO2 lasers: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasercc2.htm

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electric jake said:
i was planning on using the back EMF current produced by a inductor to power a high powered CO2 laser but i am using a relay to activate the laser and i was wondering what the resistance/resistivity of carbon dioxide because it will act like a current source and would flow through the branch with the lowest resistance so if the carbon dioxide has greater resistance than that of the air between the contact leads of the relay this experiment won't work. I didn't intend anyone to do a experiment but maybe find or reference someone who has already measured the resistance/resistivity of carbon dioxide
I think that the dielectric breakdown voltage would be more important for what you are describing. The break down voltage for CO2 is slightly less than for air, but it is pretty close.
 

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