Electrion moving between two parallel plates

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The discussion revolves around the motion of electrons in a uniform electric field between two parallel plates. The original poster is trying to determine the angle at which electrons leave the field, given specific parameters such as the length of the plates, the electric field strength, and the initial velocity of the electrons.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses difficulty in starting the problem and questions how to relate the angle of the electron's path to the given information. Some participants suggest breaking down the velocity components at the exit point, while others discuss the relevance of the equations listed by the original poster.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some providing guidance on how to find the velocity components and the time spent in the electric field. There is a recognition of the need to clarify which equations are relevant to the situation, and the discussion is progressing towards calculating the angle based on the derived velocity components.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of explicit information regarding time and discuss how to derive it from the length of the plates and the initial velocity of the electrons. There is also mention of the potential confusion regarding the sign of the angle when reporting the final answer.

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Homework Statement


At what angle will the electrons in the image leave the uniform electric field at the end of the parallel plates (point P) ? Assume the plates are .049 m long, E = 5x10^3 N/C and v0 = 1x10^7 m/s. Ignore fringing of the field.
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Homework Equations


E = kQ/r^2
F=ma
F= kQ1Q2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I am having difficulty figuring out how to get started. I know the equation for the motion of the electron is
y= -(eEx^2)/(2mv0^2) but I don't know if this helps me. I think they want the angle the path of the electron makes with the x axis, but I am not sure. Can someone get me started or give me a hint on how to relate the angle to everything else please?
 
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The angle at which the electron is moving is given by the direction of the velocity vector of the electron. So, try to figure out the x and y components of the velocity at point P.

Note: Two out of the three equations that you listed under "relevant equations" are not actually relevant to this problem. Can you spot them?
 
I tried plugging in .049 m for x into the equation of motion as well as the mass of an electron for m and all the other given information and got
y = - [(1.602x10^-19)(5x10^3)(.049)^2]/[2(9.1x10^-31)(1x10^7)^2] = -.011 m
which is how far below the x-axis it is so the angle would be tan^-1(-.011/.049) = -13 degrees?
 
I guess F= ma is the relevant one?
 
toothpaste666 said:
I guess F= ma is the relevant one?
Right. But you'll need some other equations, too.
 
ok so to find the velocity vector at point P ... there is no x component of acceleration, so vx= v0
vy = vy0 - at
vy0 = 0 so
vy = - at
a = F/m = qE/m = -eE/m
so
vy = eEt/m ... am i on the right track?
 
toothpaste666 said:
ok so to find the velocity vector at point P ... there is no x component of acceleration, so vx= v0
vy = vy0 - at
vy0 = 0 so
vy = - at
a = F/m = qE/m = -eE/m
so
vy = eEt/m ... am i on the right track?

Yes, you are!
 
I think I am now stuck though because I don't have any information for t
 
Any way to use the information about the length of the plates?
 
  • #10
ah thank you! so it constantly travels 1x10^7 m/s in the x direction for the length of .049 m.
v = d/t so t= d/v = .049 m / 1x10^7 m/s = 4.9 x 10 ^-9 s
so
vy = eEt/m = (1.602x10^-19)(5x10^3)(4.9x10^-9)/(9.1x10^-31) = 4313077 m/s right?
 
  • #11
That looks right. I haven't actually grabbed a calculator and checked your numbers.
 
  • #12
ok so that means theta = tan^-1(4313077/(1x10^7)) = 23.3 degrees but -23.3 degrees because it is going clockwise from the x axis
 
  • #13
Yes. Or you can just say 23.3o below the horizontal. (That way, whoever sees your answer doesn't have to decipher the meaning of the negative sign.) But, if you are having to plug your answer into some sort of grading program, then you might need to include the sign.
 
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thank you so much!
 

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