Electrodynamics problem (circuit with two sources)

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem in electrodynamics involving two EMF sources. The original poster seeks to understand how to adjust the EMF of the second source in response to a decrease in the first source's EMF, while maintaining the same current through the first source.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to establish a relationship between the EMFs using Kirchhoff's laws and has formulated several equations. There is uncertainty about the complexity of the system and whether a simpler approach exists. Some participants question the treatment of internal resistances and their impact on the equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, clarifying assumptions about internal resistances and their relevance to the equations. There is a recognition that certain variables remain in the equations, and the conversation is focused on understanding the dependencies within the circuit.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the internal resistances of the sources and their effect on the overall circuit analysis. The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the system of equations, indicating a potential complexity in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



In the circuit (see attachment) we have 2 sources. If we decrease the EMF of the first source (ε1) by 1.5V, the current changes in every branch of the circuit. How does the EMF of the source ε2 has to be changed, so that the current through the ε1 source would be the same as previously?

Homework Equations



Kirchhoff's laws

The Attempt at a Solution



I guess what we need to do here is to find the dependency of ε1 on ε2. Is using the Kirchhoff's equations the best way here? I wrote down such eq:
<br /> I_3R + I_1r_1 + I_5R = \epsilon_1<br />
<br /> 3I_4R + I_6R + I_1r_1 = \epsilon_1<br />
<br /> I_2r_2 + I_6R - I_5R = \epsilon_2<br />
<br /> I_3 + I_4 = I_1<br />
<br /> I_5+I_6 = I_1<br />
<br /> I_3 = I_5 + I_2<br />
<br /> I_4 + I_2 = I_6<br />
Here r1, r2 - internal resistances of the sources (since there is current flowing through the sources, they must have internal resistances, right?)
I3 - top left resistor
I5 - down left resistor
I4 - top right resistor
I6 - down right resistor
I1 - ε1 current
I2 - ε2 current
But couldn't solve the system :/
Maybe there is a better way to do this? It seems to me there should be something simpler than system of 8 equations?
Any help appreciated!
 

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Assume that r1 and r2 are negligible compared to R unless otherwise stated and can be removed from the equations.
 
dauto said:
Assume that r1 and r2 are negligible compared to R unless otherwise stated and can be removed from the equations.

But then I1 and I2 are removed, too, and (I made a mistake in the first post here) it is not possible to find the dependency of I1 on the other parameters (like ε1, ε2)? Or am I wrong and we are looking for something else?
 
No, I1 and I2 are not removed. They show up in the junction equations.
 
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Yes, thanks a lot, that was it!
 

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