Electromagnetic Force on a Moving Proton: Homework Example

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The discussion revolves around the electromagnetic force acting on a moving proton, specifically in the context of its deflection and motion after being accelerated through a voltage. Participants are exploring concepts related to forces, motion, and energy in electromagnetism.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the right-hand rule (RHR) for determining the direction of deflection of the proton. There are questions about the relationship between work done and the direction of force, as well as the implications of starting from rest.
  • There is an exploration of how to calculate the proton's velocity after being accelerated through a voltage, with references to energy formulas and kinematics.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed when faced with multiple variables and the need for specific values.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on assumptions regarding the proton's initial velocity and the energy gained from acceleration through voltage. There is an ongoing exploration of how to relate voltage to kinetic energy and velocity, with some participants successfully calculating the velocity and radius based on the discussed principles.

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There are constraints regarding the initial conditions assumed for the proton's motion, particularly its starting velocity before acceleration. Participants are also navigating the implications of using different formulas based on the information available.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F = QvB
V = kQ/r

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm just learning this stuff and I wasn't given an example of any kind so I don't really know how to start this question...
For 8.a) If I'm using the RHR and my thumb is facing in the x direction then I believe the proton will be deflected downwards? I was also under the impression that work done had to be parallel to the force and if the proton is being deflected then there is no work done?

8.b) I tried doing mv/r = qB and rearranging the formula for r = mv/qB but if I don't have velocity and I'm left with 2 variables I'm at a loss.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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For 8.a) If I'm using the RHR and my thumb is facing in the x direction then I believe the proton will be deflected downwards?
Correct.

I was also under the impression that work done had to be parallel to the force and if the proton is being deflected then there is no work done?
Correct

8.b) I tried doing mv/r = qB and rearranging the formula for r = mv/qB but if I don't have velocity and I'm left with 2 variables I'm at a loss.
What is the proton's velocity after it is accelerated through 10,000V? I think you should assume that it starts from rest.
 
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If I assume its zero then my radius would be zero? Or would I have to use a kinematics or energy formula to solve? If so I don't know what else I have to go on to use the formulas or which formula.
 
I meant that you should assume that the proton's velocity is zero before it is accelerated through 10,000V. Do you know how to calculate its velocity after it has been accelerated through 10,000 V, assuming that it is at rest before the acceleration starts? How much energy will it gain after it has been accelerated through 10,000 V?
 
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Would I use the formula ΔV=ΔEp/Q. Otherwise I'm not sure how to find the speed with voltage.
 
You are correct that the change in energy is Q ΔV. Then what is the velocity?
 
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I found the velocity to be 1.38 x 106m/s. I plugged that into the rest of the info I had and got my answer of 7.2cm! Thanks for your help!
 

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