Electromagnetic Induction and an electric generator

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the maximum electromotive force (emf) produced by an electric generator consisting of a rectangular loop of wire in a magnetic field. The problem involves parameters such as the number of turns, dimensions of the loop, magnetic field strength, and the rotation frequency of the loop.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the emf and the rate of change of magnetic flux, with some questioning the original poster's approach to calculating the emf. There are attempts to clarify the correct application of the formula for emf and the role of angular velocity in the context of the problem.

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Several participants have provided guidance on the correct formulation of the problem, emphasizing the need to express the magnetic flux as a function of time and to consider the derivative of the flux. There is an ongoing exploration of how to determine the maximum emf based on the sine function's properties.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of angular velocity and the changing angle of the loop with respect to the magnetic field. There is an acknowledgment of the need to derive the correct expressions without reaching a final solution.

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Homework Statement


An electric generator consists of n = 500 turns of wire formed into a rectangular loop with a length of 5 cm and width of 3 cm placed in a uniform magnetic field of 2.50 T. What is the maximum value of the emf produced when the loop is spun at f = 100 rpm about an axis perpendicular to B?

a. 19.6 V
b. 144 V
c. 95.3 V
d. 79.2 V
e. 60.3 V

Homework Equations



ε=-NΔ∅B/Δt

B=BAcosβ

The Attempt at a Solution



For a maximum emf there must be a maximum change in either B or A, but because A is constant B must be the variable changing. As the loop rotates B varies from 0T to 2.5T and it takes half a loop to do that.

ε=NAB/Δt
ε=500*(.03m*.05m)*(2.5T)/Δt

Δthalf a revolution:
=>100rpm*1min/60s=1.67rev/sec
=> 1 revolution takes .6s
=> .5 revolutions take .3s

ε=500*(.03m*.05m)*(2.5T)/Δt
ε=500*(.03m*.05m)*(2.5T)/.3s
ε=6.25V

The answer I get is not in the options, and I don't see what I am doing wrong? Thanks!
 
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The emf, ε, is related to the instantaneous rate of change in the flux, d∅B/dt. You used the value of the constant magnetic field times the area for this, which is incorrect.

The value you used, (.03m*.05m)*(2.5T), is the maximum flux though the coil. Instead this should be a maximum magnitude* rate of change of this flux (a value of d∅B/dt at some time).

You could start by expressing ∅B as a function of time.*I would pick the most negative value of d∅B/dt, that way ε takes on the highest positive value.
 
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I don't understand. The greatest change is from 0T to 2.5T so woudnt that cause the greatest change in ∅B hence the greater emf?
 
disregard
 
Hi physgrl!

The correct form is ##\mathcal{E}=-N{d\Phi \over dt}##.
where ##{d\Phi \over dt}## is the derivative of ##\Phi## with respect to t.You already know that ##\Phi=B A \cos \beta##.
And actually B and A are both constant, but ##\beta## is not.

##\beta## is the angle of the loop with the magnetic field.
Its derivative is the angular velocity.
Do you know how to find the angular velocity from the frequency with which the loop is spun?Furthermore, do you know how to take the derivative of ##\Phi = BA\cos \beta## with respect to t?
 
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The angular velocity is given by 100rpm.
 
physgrl said:
The angular velocity is given by 100rpm.

Can you turn that into radians per second?
 
its 10.5rad/s
 
physgrl said:
its 10.5rad/s

Good! :smile:

Now you need the derivative of ##BA\cos(\beta(t))##.
For that you will need to apply the chain rule of differentiation.
Do you know how that works, or is that outside of the scope of your class material?
If it is, we may need to find another method to find the result.
 
  • #10
its BA*-sin(β(t))*β(t)'
but what is β(t)?

is it 10.5*t?
 
  • #11
physgrl said:
its BA*-sin(β(t))*β(t)'
but what is β(t)?

is it 10.5*t?

Yes.

An angle is equal to the (constant) angular velocity multiplied with the time.
 
  • #12
So the derivative is 2.5T*(.03*.05)*sin(10.5t)*10.5t but what is the time I should plug in? how do i know what makes the max emf?
 
  • #13
physgrl said:
So the derivative is 2.5T*(.03*.05)*sin(10.5t)*10.5t but what is the time I should plug in? how do i know what makes the max emf?

You should have a derivative of 2.5T*(.03*.05)*-sin(10.5t)*10.5.

What are the maximum and minimum values the sine can take?
 
  • #14
oh yes my bad!
sin(theta)=1 is the max so is the max emf supposed to be=2.5T*(.03*.05)*10.5??
 
  • #15
physgrl said:
oh yes my bad!
sin(theta)=1 is the max so is the max emf supposed to be=2.5T*(.03*.05)*10.5??

Yep. :)
 
  • #16
ohh wait *500
 
  • #17
physgrl said:
ohh wait *500

Oh yeah, right, very good.
I'm sorry. I totally forgot about that. :blushing:
 
  • #18
ok! thanks for the help!
 
  • #19
You appear to do a lot with electromagnetism.
What are you into?
 
  • #20
Im taking AP Physics right now but I want to major in Electrical Eng. :)
 
  • #21
physgrl said:
Im taking AP Physics right now but I want to major in Electrical Eng. :)

Good for you! :approve:
See you next time.
 
  • #22
:D ok!
 

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