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The discussion revolves around the construction and safety considerations of a project involving Tesla's egg of Columbus, specifically focusing on the use of induction motors and stators to achieve the desired spinning effect of the egg. Participants explore the requirements for the induction stator, including whether a single-phase or three-phase motor is necessary, and address safety concerns related to connecting the setup to mains electricity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a three-phase induction stator is required for the project, considering the use of a single-phase motor instead.
  • Another participant explains that a single-phase motor does not produce a rotating magnetic field, which is necessary for spinning the egg, and describes how a pseudo-phase can be created using an extra coil and a capacitor.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of plugging the stator into a wall socket, with suggestions to use a safety transformer with a lower secondary voltage.
  • A later reply emphasizes that variacs are auto-transformers that do not isolate grid voltage from secondary voltage, suggesting the need for caution when using them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of a three-phase stator versus a single-phase motor, indicating that there is no consensus on the best approach for achieving the desired effect.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention safety concerns regarding electrical connections and the need for proper isolation, but do not resolve the specifics of safety standards or practices across different regions.

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Hi, trying to http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189766/teslas-egg-of-columbus# Tesla's egg of Columbus for a science project ().

I have managed to cast a small rod of solid aluminium into a solid egg shaped piece of aluminium. I also have a large glass bowl that could sit inside an induction stator. However, I am unsure about how to get the correct induction stator for this to http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189766/teslas-egg-of-columbus# . Does it have to be 3 phase? Or could I, for example, http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189766/teslas-egg-of-columbus# this single phase induction motor (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Newmans-induction-single-phase-motor-Made-in-England-/251995671260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aac1ccadc) and take the motor out and sit the glass bowl inside with the egg on http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189766/teslas-egg-of-columbus# and then plug it into the mains? My worry is plugging the stator into a wall socket, will this be safe?

Any help on how to go about this would be great!
 
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Jimmy87 said:
Does it have to be 3 phase? Or could I, for example, http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/189766/teslas-egg-of-columbus# this single phase induction motor
What's the purpose? To make the egg spin?

With a single phase you will not have any rotational movement of the magnetic field. It will just go back and forth. With three phases ( or two ) the magnetic field will rotate because you are making a current-triangle ( an area ) wherein there is "space" for an angle and thus for an angular velocity. You cannot draw an angle within a line ( except for a fixed angle of 0 or 180° ). No space for an angular velocity.

Your single phase motor will turn because a pseudo-phase is created by means af an extra coil in series with a capacitor. This capacitor will make a current phaseshift in the extra coil, thereby making the space.
Jimmy87 said:
My worry is plugging the stator into a wall socket, will this be safe?
Use a safety transformer with a secondary voltage of say 32V. ( I don't know what "safety" is in US. ).
 
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Hesch said:
What's the purpose? To make the egg spin?

With a single phase you will not have any rotational movement of the magnetic field. It will just go back and forth. With three phases ( or two ) the magnetic field will rotate because you are making a current-triangle ( an area ) wherein there is "space" for an angle and thus for an angular velocity. You cannot draw an angle within a line ( except for a fixed angle of 0 or 180° ). No space for an angular velocity.

Your single phase motor will turn because a pseudo-phase is created by means af an extra coil in series with a capacitor. This capacitor will make a current phaseshift in the extra coil, thereby making the space.

Use a safety transformer with a secondary voltage of say 32V. ( I don't know what "safety" is in US. ).

Hi, thanks for the info. Yeh purpose is to make the egg spin. Will I need a 3 phase stator then and connect it to a variac or something?
 
Jimmy87 said:
Will I need a 3 phase stator then and connect it to a variac or something?
Yes, but remember that variacs are often made with only one coil, acting as both primary and secondary coil. It's a auto-transformer that does not separate the grid voltage from the secondary voltage. It is just stepping up/down the grid voltage. Use an ohm-meter to test if there is connection between the primary voltage is isolated from the secondary voltage (safety). Auto transformer:

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