Electromagnetic repulsion force

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The problem involves analyzing the electromagnetic repulsion force experienced by a small bar magnet moving towards a closed circular conducting loop. The context is rooted in electromagnetism, specifically the interaction between magnetic fields and induced currents in conductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the induced current and the resulting force on the loop but expresses confusion regarding the application of the Lorentz force law to the induced current. Some participants question whether the magnetic field can be considered uniform and its implications for the net force on the loop.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the implications of the magnetic field's direction and uniformity on the force calculations. There is a recognition that the magnetic field is not uniform, which may affect the force experienced by the loop. Guidance has been offered regarding the consideration of components of the magnetic field.

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There are discussions about the assumptions made regarding the magnetic field's uniformity and the nature of the forces acting on the loop, which may influence the calculations. The original poster is seeking clarification on how to proceed with their analysis.

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Homework Statement


An infinitesimally small bar magnet of dipole moment ##\vec{M}## is pointing and moving with the speed v in the x direction. A small closed circular conducting loop of radius a and negligible self inductance lies in the y-z plane with its centre at x = 0, and its axis coinciding with the x axis. Find the force opposing the motion of the magnet, if the resistance of the loop is R. Assume that the distance x of the magnet from the centre of the loop is much greater than a.

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The Attempt at a Solution


Magnetic field due to the magnet of dipole moment ##\vec{M}## on its axis at a distance x (i.e. at the centre of the ring) = ##B = \dfrac{2μ_0M}{4πx^3} = \dfrac{μ_0M}{2πx^3}##

##φ_{ring} = B.A = \dfrac{μ_0M}{2πx^3}.πa^2 = \dfrac{μ_0Ma^2}{2x^3}##

##|ε| = \dfrac{dφ}{dt} = \dfrac{3μ_0Ma^2v}{2x^4}##

##i## (flowing in ring) = ## \dfrac{3μ_0Ma^2v}{2x^4R}##

After this, I'm confused.
My attempt:
## F = ilB = \dfrac{3μ_0Ma^2v}{2x^4R}.2a.\dfrac{μ_0M}{2πx^3}##

## F = \dfrac{3μ_0M^2a^3v}{2x^7Rπ}##

This answer is wrong. It is surely due to me having taken l = 2a. Usually, when we consider arbitrarily shaped conductors in a uniform magnetic field (it is uniform on the ring as x>>a), the force, i.e.
##\vec{F} = \int I \vec{dL} × \vec{B} = I \vec{L} × \vec{B}## where ##\vec{L}## is the length vector joining initial and final points of the conductor. Now, in case of a circular loop, this should've been zero. But that is clearly wrong as there is some force due to lenz's law. I believe it is wrong because the lorentz force equation can't be applied to currents induced due to the magnetic field. It can only be used when we have a current carrying conductor placed in an external magnetic field (I think). In any case, I'm not sure what to do. Please help.
 
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I think your expression for the current looks good. If you approximate the magnetic field as purely in the x direction at the loop, would there be any net magnetic force on the loop? Consider the direction of the magnetic force on a small element of length of the loop if the B field has only an x component.
 
TSny said:
If you approximate the magnetic field as purely in the x direction at the loop, would there be any net magnetic force on the loop?

Zero, because magnetic force on a coil of wire is always zero in a uniform magnetic field?
 
Yes. For the force calculation, you'll need to take into account that B is not actually uniform.
 
How do I start?
 

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