Electromagnetics density of Toroid

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The discussion revolves around understanding the application of Ampere's Law in the context of a toroidal inductor. Participants are exploring the electromagnetic density and the behavior of current within a closed loop around the toroid.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the interpretation of current flow through an Amperean loop, particularly regarding the inflow and outflow of current in relation to the toroid's geometry. There are attempts to clarify the direction of currents and their contributions to the total current through the loop.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing differing interpretations of the current flow and its implications for applying Ampere's Law. Some guidance has been offered regarding the construction of the Amperean loop and its relevance to the current direction, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working with a specific diagram referenced in the discussion, which may not be visible to all. There is a focus on the definitions and assumptions related to the closed loop and the currents involved.

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Hello
I have some problems to obtaining Electromagnetic density via Ampere's Law.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indtor.html

my problem is why we don't calculate and sum Inflow and outflow of Ampere's closed loop path.to clearing my question please take a look at below picture.
tor.gif

in upper side of Toroid current direction is going into center of Ampere's closed loop path however down side current direction is going out subsequently input current and output current in Ampere's closed loop path should be zero.

what is my misunderstand?

Thanks
 
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baby_1 said:
Hello
I have some problems to obtaining Electromagnetic density via Ampere's Law.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indtor.html

my problem is why we don't calculate and sum Inflow and outflow of Ampere's closed loop path.to clearing my question please take a look at below picture.
tor.gif

in upper side of Toroid current direction is going into center of Ampere's closed loop path however down side current direction is going out subsequently input current and output current in Ampere's closed loop path should be zero.

what is my misunderstand?

Thanks

You are misunderstanding the fact that the Amperean loop in the figure is constructed BETWEEN the innner and the outer radius of the toroid and not at a radius greater than or equal to b. Here, the direction of every current element is into the plane of the paper (or according to you, to the center of the toroid).

Had the amperean loop been constructed at a radius of 'b' (outer radius of toroid) or more, the total current crossing the loop would be zero.

Hope this helps! :)
-Adithyan
 
You're mistaken all the currents are going through the loop in the same direction. There is no upside and down side. Your misunderstanding seems to be a different (and incorrect) interpretation of what is meant by "to go through the loop".
 
Thanks for your response.
but my question is some thing else.(sorry if i explained so weak)
as you see this picture
7913629700_1401179559.jpg

two different current direction see in Ampere's closed loop path.one of them wire is top of Toroid and we see the direction of current is going to center and the bottom current's wire that i specify with dot is going out.so sum of them should not be zero?
 
The blue dashed line defines a round surface, area = pi r^2. The current always goes INTO that surface. The fact that the current goes OUT OF the page is irrelevant because that is not part of the surface.

Ampere's law states that the integral of the B field around a defined surface = mu times the total current through that surface.
 
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