Electron and proton between two plates

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The discussion revolves around calculating the meeting point of a proton and an electron in an electric field between two plates. The initial calculations suggested a very small meeting distance from the positive plate, but this was incorrect. The key insight is that both particles experience forces of the same magnitude, leading to a ratio of their accelerations based on their masses. By applying the correct ratios and equations, the distance traveled by the proton was determined to be approximately 2.18 x 10^-5 m, significantly different from the initial estimate. The misunderstanding stemmed from not properly accounting for the relationship between their distances traveled.
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Homework Statement


Between two plates (distant 4cm) there's an electric field (E = 100N/C).
A proton starts moving from the positive plate and an electron starts moving from the negative plate.
At what distance from the positive plate do they meet? (is "meet the right verb here? :biggrin:)

Homework Equations


## a = qE/m ##
## v = at ##
## U = - \frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r}##
## U_i + K_i = U_f + K_f ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated ##U_i##.
It is ##-5.76x10^{-27} J ##.

Now,
## U_i = Kf ##
and
## Kf = \frac{1}{2} m_p v_p^2 - \frac{1}{2}m_e v_e^2##

I replace ## v = at = \frac{eEt}{m} ##

## U_i = [\frac{1}{2} e^2E^2 ( \frac{1}{m_p} - \frac{1}{m_e})] t^2 ##
## t = 6.39x10^-12 s ##

## x(t) = \frac{1}{2} at^2 ##

I obtain a very small value of x. 10^-13 or so.
There's a big difference (4 orders of magnitude) between the acceleration of the electron, that's true.
But they meet at very very very small distance from the positive plate.

Could you tell me if this is right?

Thank you so much
 
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cseil said:

Homework Statement


Between two plates (distant 4cm) there's an electric field (E = 100N/C).
A proton starts moving from the positive plate and an electron starts moving from the negative plate.
At what distance from the positive plate do they meet? (is "meet the right verb here? :biggrin:)
...

I obtain a very small value of x. 10^-13 or so.
There's a big difference (4 orders of magnitude) between the acceleration of the electron, that's true.
But they meet at very very very small distance from the positive plate.

Could you tell me if this is right?

10^-13 in what units?
No, it is not right.
Think: Forces of the same magnitude act on both particles, F=qE. And you correctly wrote that the acceleration is a=qE/m.
me=9,11x10-31kg. mp=1.67x10-27kg.
The ratio of the masses mp/me=1833. What is the ratio of the accelerations?
Again you wrote correctly, that the distance traveled by one particle is x=a/2 t2. They travel for the same time. So what is the ratio of the distances they travelled?
 
ehild said:
10^-13 in what units?
No, it is not right.
Think: Forces of the same magnitude act on both particles, F=qE. And you correctly wrote that the acceleration is a=qE/m.
me=9,11x10-31kg. mp=1.67x10-27kg.
The ratio of the masses mp/me=1833. What is the ratio of the accelerations?
Again you wrote correctly, that the distance traveled by one particle is x=a/2 t2. They travel for the same time. So what is the ratio of the distances they travelled?

Sorry, I forgot to say the units. 10^-13 m!

The ratio of accelerations is ##\frac{a_p}{a_e} = \frac{1}{1833} ##
The ratio of distance is the same, because t is the same.

I don't understand how to use it, though
 
The proton travels x distance and the electron travels 1833 x distance. The sum of their distances is 4 cm. What is the distance traveled by the proton?
 
Oh, ok

## 0.04 = x(1833+1) ##

x is ##2.18x10^{-5}##m.

What was my mistake then?
 
I could not understand what you did.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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