Electron Capture - X-ray or gamma-ray?

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The discussion revolves around the process of electron capture and the subsequent emission of radiation, specifically whether the emitted radiation is classified as X-rays or gamma rays. Participants explore the conditions under which each type of radiation is produced, considering energy transitions and the nature of the emitting sources.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that when an electron is captured by the nucleus, the outer shell electron that fills its place emits an X-ray, while the nucleus may emit a gamma ray as it transitions to a lower energy state.
  • Others argue that electron shell transitions typically produce X-rays, whereas gamma rays are associated with nuclear transitions.
  • A participant notes that the distinction between X-rays and gamma rays can be complicated by the overlap in energy ranges of emitted radiation from artificial sources.
  • Another participant points out that exceptional cases exist, such as Thorium 229, where the emitted radiation classified as gamma may fall within the ultraviolet range, challenging the conventional definitions.
  • It is mentioned that heavy atoms generally emit X-rays in the keV range, while nuclei tend to emit gamma rays in the MeV range.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of emitted radiation, with no consensus reached on the conditions that determine whether X-rays or gamma rays are produced during electron capture.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the definitions of X-rays and gamma rays, particularly in cases of overlapping energy ranges and exceptional scenarios that challenge standard classifications.

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I may be being a bit pedantic but when an electron "falls" (or is captured by) into the nucleus, does the outer shell electron that fills its place result in an x-ray or a gamma-ray being emitted? Or would it depend on the energy transition?

Thanks for any ideas.
 
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rwooduk said:
I may be being a bit pedantic but when an electron "falls" (or is captured by) into the nucleus, does the outer shell electron that fills its place result in an x-ray or a gamma-ray being emitted? Or would it depend on the energy transition?

Thanks for any ideas.

from Wiki ...

Since a proton is changed to a neutron during electron capture, the number of neutrons in the nucleus increases by 1, the number of protons decreases by 1, and the atomic mass number remains unchanged. By changing the number of protons, electron capture transforms the nuclide into a new element. The atom, although still neutral in charge, now exists in an excited state with the inner shell missing an electron. An outer shell electron will eventually transition to fill the missing inner electron thereby dropping to a lower ground state. During this process, that electron will emit an X-ray photon (a type of electromagnetic radiation) and other electrons may also emit Auger electrons. Often the nucleus exists in an excited state as well, and emits a gamma ray as it transitions to the ground state energy of the new nuclide.
does that answer you Q ?

Dave
 
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davenn said:
from Wiki ...

does that answer you Q ?

Dave

Hmm, sorry should have checked Wiki. Yes very helpful, thankyou!
 
no probs, you are welcome :smile:
 
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In general, keep in mind, that electron shell transitions don't produce gamma rays but X-rays... The transitions of nuclei are the ones producing gamma rays.

However, with artificial sources now able to duplicate any electromagnetic radiation that originates in the nucleus, as well as far higher energies, the wavelengths characteristic of radioactive gamma ray sources vs. other types, now completely overlap. Thus, gamma rays are now usually distinguished by their origin: X-rays are emitted by definition by electrons outside the nucleus, while gamma rays are emitted by the nucleus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray
 
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Thus, gamma rays are now usually distinguished by their origin
That has its own problems. Thorium 229 has an excitation just 8 eV above the ground state, the corresponding "gamma ray" is in the ultraviolet range.
 
mfb said:
That has its own problems. Thorium 229 has an excitation just 8 eV above the ground state, the corresponding "gamma ray" is in the ultraviolet range.

Exceptional things always exist... doesn't change the fact that the heavy atoms generally tend to emit in the X-rays (keV spectra), while nuclei in general tend to emit in the MeV ranges (gamma).
 

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