Electron double slit experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electron double slit experiment, specifically focusing on the presence and effects of electric and magnetic fields in the deconstructive regions of the interference pattern. Participants explore theoretical implications, quantum mechanics principles, and the nature of electric fields in relation to atomic structures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether an electron in the deconstructive region experiences a force from another electron being fired through the slits.
  • Others argue that the electromagnetic field is omnipresent and that there is nothing unique about the darker regions of the interference pattern.
  • There are claims that electrons are not point particles, referencing the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which complicates their placement in specific regions.
  • One participant suggests that if an atom is in the deconstructive region and experiences a dipole moment, it raises questions about the influence of the electric field from the electrons passing through the slits.
  • Another participant asserts that due to symmetry, there would be no net electric field in the deconstructive region, as opposing fields would cancel each other out.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the symmetry argument and its implications for the electric field in the context of the experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electric fields in the deconstructive regions, with some asserting cancellation due to symmetry while others question the implications of quantum mechanics on the situation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on quantum mechanics principles and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which are not fully explored in the discussion. The implications of symmetry in electric fields are also not definitively resolved.

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Is there an electric or magnetic field from the electron present in the deconstructive regions of the electron interference pattern?
 
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The electromagnetic field is everywhere, there is nothing special going on in the darker (deconstructive) regions seen in an interference pattern.
 
rootone said:
The electromagnetic field is everywhere, there is nothing special going on in the darker (deconstructive) regions seen in an interference pattern.
I mean if I placed an electron in the deconstructive region would it experience a force from the electron that's being fired through the slits?
 
Danyon said:
I mean if I placed an electron in the deconstructive region would it experience a force from the electron that's being fired through the slits?

Electrons are not point particles. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle forbids them being placed anywhere since that would mean it has a definite position and momentum.

Thanks
Bill
 
bhobba said:
Electrons are not point particles. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle forbids them being placed anywhere since that would mean it has a definite position and momentum.

Thanks
Bill
Okay, say the electron is trapped in an atom which is in the deconstructive region, the atom experiences a dipole moment, during that dipole moment does the electric field from the electrons being fired through the slits effect the atom? or is the electric field at the deconstructive region canceled out?
 
Danyon said:
Okay, say the electron is trapped in an atom which is in the deconstructive region, the atom experiences a dipole moment, during that dipole moment does the electric field from the electrons being fired through the slits effect the atom? or is the electric field at the deconstructive region canceled out?

Again - atoms are quantum objects and QED would be necessary to analyse your situation.

But, due to the symmetry of the situation, there wouldn't be any electric field - at any point what's on one side will cancel the other - think about it.

Thanks
Bill
 
bhobba said:
Again - atoms are quantum objects and QED would be necessary to analyse your situation.

But, due to the symmetry of the situation, there wouldn't be any electric field - at any point what's on one side will cancel the other - think about it.

Thanks
Bill
Sorry I don't follow, could you explain further about the symmetry.
 
Danyon said:
Sorry I don't follow, could you explain further about the symmetry.

Say you have two negative charges and have a positive one in the middle. Now its obvious that the fields of the charges cancel in the middle and nothing happens to the positive charge. Interestingly you don't have to evoke that - simply use symmetry. Say if you are in front of the charges it goes to the right. Now go to the back of the charges - its exactly the same situation physically - but now it goes to the left. But since its physically the same it can't do that. It must therefore not move. This is a symmetry argument and in some cases its all you need to solve a problem. The same thing happens with your situation. Imagine you are in the middle of a trough and view it from the front and back - its the same - so - guess what - there will be no field. The same if you are in a crest.

Something for you to think about - does this happen if you are not on a crest or in a trough or if you move to the edges of the pattern.

Thanks
Bill
 

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