Electron moles present in wire cross-section

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of moles of electrons present in a wire's cross-section based on current and wire dimensions. The subject area includes concepts from electricity and chemistry, particularly relating to charge, current, and molar quantities.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between current (in coulombs per second) and the number of moles of electrons, discussing unit conversions and the impact of area on the calculations. There are questions about the correct use of diameter versus radius in area calculations and the necessity of converting units from centimeters to meters.

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Some participants have provided guidance on unit conversions and the correct approach to calculating area. There is an acknowledgment of discrepancies in the calculations, with participants noting that the results are not aligning with expected values. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the area and the conversion of units.

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Participants are addressing potential errors in unit conversion, specifically the conversion of diameter to radius and centimeters to meters. There is also a mention of the electron charge value, which has been corrected during the discussion.

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I=C/t
So I know current is just coulombs/second. Electrons are also in the unit of coulombs, so I can get coulombs to cancel.

7.9C/s/1.602E-29C = 4.93133E29 1/s

Now I just need to get mol on top. There are 6.022E23 electron in a mol so 4.93133E29 1/s / 6.022E23 atoms/mol = 8.1889E5 mol/s.

Now my problem is that I don't know what to do with the diameter. My only hint is that the units also have m^2, which could imply that I need to multiply the above by area? So using A=pir^2 I would get an area of 0.5027 m^2. Obviously multiplying this value by the above value won't get me the right answer.

What am I missing here?
 

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They want to know the number of moles per area per second. It should be obvious that you divide by the area.
You need to convert the centimeters to meters in computing the area. The number you give for the area is way off.
 
Charles Link said:
They want to know the number of moles per area per second. It should be obvious that you divide by the area.
You need to convert the centimeters to meters in computing the area. The number you give for the area is way off.

Youre right, but even if I divide instead of multiply the area I still get the wrong answer. The answer is 1.63, but ill get 1629129.9. So its right but has too many digits it seems.
 
Okay i forgot to convert the cm too, but when I convert it to m and divide by area I get an answer that's even bigger and also wrong (4.07 E11)
 
The electron charge is 1.602E-19 .(not E-29).
Make sure you use the radius of the wire (rather than the diameter) in computing the area. =Edit=looks like you did. You then divide by the area. You should get the correct answer.
 
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Charles Link said:
The electron charge is 1.602E-19 .(not E-29).
Make sure you use the radius of the wire (rather than the diameter) in computing the area. You should get the correct answer.

So then I get 8.1991 E-5for mol/s. Dividing by area still doesn't work for me.

0.4cm = 0.0004 m. A=pir^2 = 0.000000502.

0.000081889/0.000000502 = 163, which is too large by a factor of 100.
 
You would do better to use exponential notation. But the ## r=.004 ## m. I think everything then works.
 
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Charles Link said:
You would do better to use exponential notation. But the ## r=.004 ## m. I think everything then works.

Yeah I am dumb. cm is not mm.
 

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