Electrostatic Problem at point on a conical surface

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The discussion revolves around an electrostatic problem involving the calculation of electrostatic potential at a point on a conical surface with a specified surface charge. The original poster expresses confusion regarding a specific expression derived in a worked solution, particularly concerning the geometric interpretation of the variables involved.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the derivation of the expression for ##\bar{r}##, questioning the use of Pythagorean theorem in a non-right triangle context. Some participants suggest using the law of cosines to derive the expression, while others express uncertainty about the triangle's configuration.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the triangle formed by the variables involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the applicability of the law of cosines to non-right triangles, and a diagram has been shared to aid understanding.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the geometric relationships in the problem, with participants questioning assumptions about the triangle's properties and the derivation of the expression for ##\bar{r}##.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to understand a solved problem which is about finding electrostatic potential at point b of the following conical surface with a given surface charge:

cone.jpg

I have attached the worked solutions to this post. In the solutions, I don't understand how they have got the expression:

##\bar{r}=\sqrt{h^2+r^2-\sqrt{2}hr}##

The Attempt at a Solution



I appreciate it if anyone could explain how this expression was obtained.

Looking at the expression it looks like Pythagoras was used here with ##\bar{r}## being the hypotenuse. But when the vertical side is ##h##, how do we get ##r^2-\sqrt{2}hr## as the other side? I'm very confused here.

Any helps is greatly appreciated.
 

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The triangle formed by ##h##, ##r##, and ##\bar{r}## is not a right triangle. Can you see how the law of cosines can be used to get the expression for ##\bar{r}##?
 
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TSny said:
The triangle formed by ##h##, ##r##, and ##\bar{r}## is not a right triangle. Can you see how the law of cosines can be used to get the expression for ##\bar{r}##?

No, how can I use the law of cosines when the triangle is not a right angle? Should I be considering a different triangle? I really have no idea how the expression for ##\bar{r}## was obtained. :confused:
 
triang1.jpg
express r in ##\mathcal r##
 
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roam said:
No, how can I use the law of cosines when the triangle is not a right angle? Should I be considering a different triangle? I really have no idea how the expression for ##\bar{r}## was obtained. :confused:

The law of cosines applies to all triangles, not just right triangles.

See http://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/trig-cosine-law.html
 
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Thank you so much BvU for the diagram. It makes perfect sense now.

Thank you Tsny, I really appreciate the link.
 

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