Time period of a conical pendulum by D'Alembert's principle

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Homework Statement


Finding the time period of a conical pendulum by D'Alembert's principle. The string is of a constant length and all dissipations are to be ignored.

Homework Equations


The time period of a conical pendulum is [itex]2\pi \sqrt{\frac{r}{g\tan\theta}}[/itex]. I need to arrive at this result starting from the D'Alembert's principle.

The Attempt at a Solution


I assume a cylindrical coordinates system whose origin coincides with the fulcrum of the pendulum. Thus, for the conical pendulum with constant string length, the acceleration of the particle would be
[itex]\ddot{\vec{r}}=\ddot{\rho}\hat{\rho}+\rho\ddot{\phi}\hat{\phi}[/itex].
Now the virtual displacement can be given as
[itex]\delta\vec{r}=\rho\delta\phi\hat{\phi}[/itex].
And the force acting on the particle as [itex]\vec{F}=-mg\hat{z}[/itex].

Now if I substitute all these in the D'Alembert's principle, I won't be able to calculate the time period from there. This is obvious because the virtual displacement does not contain the [itex]\hat{z}[/itex] term and due to the dot product, the expression won't include any [itex]g[/itex] term which is necessary because the result does contain the [itex]g[/itex] term.
I am out of ideas for now and I would appreciate anyone from the PF helping me out.
 
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Hello, justwild.

What about virtual displacements in the ##\hat{\theta}## direction. For acceleration in spherical coordinates see here.
 
TSny said:
What about virtual displacements in the ##\hat{\theta}## direction.
I don't understand. Even if I assume a spherical coordinates system why would there be a component of acceleration in the ##\hat{\theta}## direction?
Isn't ##\theta## supposed to remain constant during the motion?
 
justwild said:
I don't understand. Even if I assume a spherical coordinates system why would there be a component of acceleration in the ##\hat{\theta}## direction?
Isn't ##\theta## supposed to remain constant during the motion?

Yes, for the particular solution that you are considering θ will remain constant. However, in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Alembert's_principle]d'Alembert's[/PLAIN] principle you can consider any virtual displacement that doesn't violate the physical constraint of the system.
 
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Use Cartesian co-ordinates. Take the length of the string=constant to be the constraint eq. Find delta(z).
Substitute values in d'alemberts', put delta (z).
You'll be able to find the time period