How to Calculate the Potential Difference on a Charged Conical Surface?

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The problem involves calculating the potential difference between two points on a conical surface with a uniform surface charge. The conical surface is described as an empty ice-cream cone with height and radius both equal to 'a'. The goal is to find the potential difference between the vertex and the center of the top of the cone.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the determination of the area element (da) in spherical coordinates, with specific focus on the correct expression for da related to the geometry of the cone.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion regarding the correct formulation of the area element, with one participant noting an instructor's correction. Another participant indicates a realization about the surface element after further discussion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need to consider the units of the area element, with a distinction made between area and volume elements. The angle θ is specified as π/4, which influences the calculations involved.

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Homework Statement



A conical surface (an empty ice-cream cone) carries a uniform surface charge σ. The height of the cone is a, as is the radius of the top. Find the potential difference between the points P (the vertex) and Q (the center of the top).

Homework Equations



V(P) = \frac{1}{4\piε_{0}}∫\frac{σ}{\sqrt{z^{2}+2r^{2}-2zr}}da
da = r^{2}sinθdθdrd\varphi

The Attempt at a Solution



I am having difficulties in determining da for spherical coordinates.

Because the conical surface is a right circular cone, θ = \frac{\pi}{4}. Therefore, sinθ = sin \frac{\pi}{4} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}. Also, dθ = 1.

Apparently then, da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}r^{2}drd\varphi.

However, according to my instructor, this is incorrect and the correct answer should be da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}rdrd\varphi.

What have I done wrong? Thank you.
 
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Note that in the relevant equation for V(P), the square root term represents the separation vector from the source point (the conical surface of uniform charge σ) and the point where the potential is to be measured. The letter z is to be taken as a constant; V(Q) = V(z = a) and V(P) = V(z = 0). We are then tasked with first finding V(z) and then finding V(Q) - V(P).
 
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Homework Statement



A conical surface (an empty ice-cream cone) carries a uniform surface charge σ. The height of the cone is a, as is the radius of the top. Find the potential difference between the points P (the vertex) and Q (the center of the top).

Homework Equations



V(P) = \frac{1}{4\piε_{0}}∫\frac{σ}{\sqrt{z^{2}+2r^{2}-2zr}}da
da = r^{2}sinθdθdrd\varphi
Consider the units. That isn't an area element; it's a volume element.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am having difficulties in determining da for spherical coordinates.

Because the conical surface is a right circular cone, θ = \frac{\pi}{4}. Therefore, sinθ = sin \frac{\pi}{4} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}. Also, dθ = 1.

Apparently then, da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}r^{2}drd\varphi.

However, according to my instructor, this is incorrect and the correct answer should be da = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}rdrd\varphi.

What have I done wrong? Thank you.
 
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Surface element da

Thanks! I get it now ...

The surface element (da) is da = dl_{r}dl_{\varphi} = (dr)(r sinθ d\varphi) = r sin \frac{\pi}{4} dr d\varphi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} r dr d\varphi.
 

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