Electrostatic Self-energy of an arbitrary spherically symmetric charge density

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The problem involves finding an expression for the electrostatic self-energy of an arbitrary spherically symmetric charge density distribution, denoted as p(r). The original poster expresses confusion regarding the concept of electrostatic self-energy and its implications for varying charge distributions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using Gauss's law to find the electric field E(r) and then integrating to find the potential φ(r). There is mention of an expression for self-energy involving a triple integral of the charge density.
  • Questions arise regarding the definitions of terms such as electrostatic self-energy and potential, with participants seeking clarification on the relationship between these concepts.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the terminology used in the problem statement, suggesting it is not easily understood.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different approaches and seeking clarification on terminology and concepts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Gauss's law and the integration process, but confusion remains about the definitions and derivations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the course is Engineering Physics II, and there are references to the textbook "Physics" Volume 2 by Halliday, Resnick, and Krane. There is an acknowledgment that the professor's teaching methods may not align with the textbook content, leading to additional confusion.

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Homework Statement



Find an expression for the electrostatic self-energy of an arbitrary spherically symmetric charge density distribution p(r). You may not assume that p(r) represents any point charge, or that it is constant, or that it is piecewise constant, or that it does or does not cut off at any finite radius r. your expression must cover all possibilities. your expression may include an integral or integrals which cannot be evaluated without knowing the specific form of p(r).


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I had no idea how to start this problem because i couldn't figure out what my professor meant by electrostatic self-energy of an arbitrary spherically symmetric charge density distribution.

Does anyone know a professor by the name is Ian Redmount?
 
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1. Find E(r) by using Gauss's law.
2. Integrate E to find[tex]\phi(r)[/tex].
3. [tex]U=(1/2)\int\rho\phi d^3 r[/tex] in Gasussian units.
This gives U as a triple integral integral involving rho twice.
What course is this and what is the text/
 
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The course is Engineering Physics II at Saint Louis University in St. Louis MO.
The text is "Physics" Volume 2 by Halliday, Resnick and Krane.
Our professor doesn't use the text though, he teaches from his own notes which I believe are a few millennium old.

Thanks for the help I'll work on it right now and see if I can do exactly what you suggested but I may have more questions on the method but Thank You, I really appreciate it.
 
Meir Achuz said:
1. Find E(r) by using Gauss's law.
2. Integrate E to find[tex]\phi(r)[/tex].
3. [tex]U=(1/2)\int\rho\phi d^3 r[/tex] in Gasussian units.
This gives U as a triple integral integral involving rho twice.
What course is this and what is the text/

Is the electrostatic self-energy the potential? What is phi in your equation? Sorry, I am confused in how you derived that equation.
 
harshey said:
Is the electrostatic self-energy the potential? What is phi in your equation? Sorry, I am confused in how you derived that equation.
The phi in my equation is the potential, given by integrating E.dr.
The electrostatic self-energy of a point charge is U= q*phi.
For charged sphere, it is given by my third equation.
I think that, on a Haliday and Resnick level,
there are too many simple things not given in the text to understand a problem on this level.
 

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