Electrostatics problem involving infinite sheet

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The problem involves an infinite dielectric sheet with a charge density σ and a hole of radius R. An electron is released on the axis of the hole at a distance R√3 from the center, and the objective is to determine the velocity of the electron as it crosses the plane of the sheet.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the electric field due to both the infinite sheet and the circular disk, questioning the integration process and the cancellation of terms. There are attempts to derive the velocity using force and energy conservation principles, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and suggesting areas for clarification. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the original attempts, and some participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem.

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Participants note the importance of showing detailed work and correct formulae, as well as the implications of assumptions made during the calculations. There is a concern about the clarity of the presented solutions for the benefit of others learning from the thread.

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Homework Statement



An infinite dielectric sheet having charge density σ has a hole of radius R in it. An electron is released on the axis of the hole at a distance R√3 from the centre. What will be the velocity which it crosses the plane of sheet? (e = charge on electron and m = mass of electron)

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The Attempt at a Solution

Force at a distance x on the axis of the hole can be calculated by finding electric field at a distance x .Electric field is found by superimposing the electric field due to the sheet and the circular disk containing charge density -σ .

## E = \frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##mv\frac{dv}{dx} = -\frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##vdv = -\frac{σ}{2mε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}dx##

Now integrating under proper limits I get ## v^2 = \frac{\sqrt{3}σe}{2mε_0}## which gives incorrect answer .

Is this the correct way to approach the problem ?

I would be grateful if somebody could help me with the problem.
 

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Tanya Sharma said:

Homework Statement



An infinite dielectric sheet having charge density σ has a hole of radius R in it. An electron is released on the axis of the hole at a distance R√3 from the centre. What will be the velocity which it crosses the plane of sheet? (e = charge on electron and m = mass of electron)


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution




Force at a distance x on the axis of the hole can be calculated by finding electric field at a distance x .Electric field is found by superimposing the electric field due to the sheet and the circular disk containing charge density -σ .

## E = \frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##mv\frac{dv}{dx} = -\frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##vdv = -\frac{σ}{2mε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}dx##

Now integrating under proper limits I get ## v^2 = \frac{\sqrt{3}σe}{2mε_0}## which gives incorrect answer .

Is this the correct way to approach the problem ?

I would be grateful if somebody could help me with the problem.

You certainly miss an R from the result. And you should show your work in detail...

ehild
 
Electric field due to infinite sheet having charge density σ = σ/2ε0

Electric field due to disk of radius R having charge density -σ at a distance x from the center of the disk on the axis = ##\frac{σ}{2ε_0}(1-\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}})##

Net electric field at a distance x , ## E = \frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##mv\frac{dv}{dx} = -\frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##vdv = -\frac{σ}{2mε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}dx##

##\int_{0}^{v} vdv = -\int_{\sqrt{3}R}^{0} \frac{σ}{2mε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}dx##

## v^2 = \frac{\sqrt{3}σe}{2mε_0}##
 
How did you cancel R from the integral?

ehild
 
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ehild said:
How did you cancel R from the integral?

ehild

I apologize for the pathetic calculations .It's quite embarrassing for me :redface:

Thanks for the input.
 
Some "e"-s are also missing from your formulae. It would be nice to show your solution in a correct way. Think of the people who want to learn from the thread. What have you got at the end?

ehild
 
Electric field due to infinite sheet having charge density σ = σ/2ε0

Electric field due to disk of radius R having charge density -σ at a distance x from the center of the disk on the axis = ##\frac{σ}{2ε_0}(1-\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}})##

Net electric field at a distance x , ## E = \frac{σ}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##mv\frac{dv}{dx} = -\frac{σe}{2ε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}##

##vdv = -\frac{σe}{2mε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}dx##

##\int_{0}^{v} vdv = -\int_{\sqrt{3}R}^{0} \frac{σe}{2mε_0}\frac{x}{\sqrt{R^2+x^2}}dx##

## [\frac{v^2}{2}]_0^v= -\frac{σe}{2mε_0}[\sqrt{R^2+x^2}]_{\sqrt{3}R}^0##

## v^2= \frac{σe}{mε_0}[2R-R]##

## v^2 = \frac{σeR}{mε_0}##

## v = \sqrt{\frac{σeR}{mε_0}}##

ehild...Does it look alright ?

If I were to approach this problem using energy conservation then too ,I would have to perform same integration ,as the right hand side is nothing but the change in the electric potential energy of the system .

What is your opinion ?
 
Splendid!:smile:

ehild
 

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