Elevator and acceleration problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the apparent weight of a student in an elevator that is accelerating upwards and downwards. The subject area pertains to dynamics and forces, specifically focusing on normal force and gravitational force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between normal force and apparent weight, with some attempting to derive equations based on free body diagrams. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of units and the nature of the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying concepts related to normal force and weight. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between normal force and apparent weight, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer or method.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the absence of physics teachers for immediate assistance and express uncertainty about the interpretation of units in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A 60.0 kg student is riding the elevator at the CN Tower in Toronto. Calculate her apparent weight if she is accelerating upwards at a rate of 5.20 m/s2. Calculate her apparent weight if she is riding down the elevator. Include a solution with the derived equation for each.

Homework Equations


F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


I have drawn the free body diagram for the first part of the question and I think that the equation that I should use is Fn-Fg = ma. However I'm not sure how to get the normal force, do I substitute the numbers in and solve for it, or is there another way I get it? Any help would be much appreciated, I go to a self-directed school and there are no physics teachers here today for me to ask!
 
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Looking at it again, I think I understand. Am I trying to find the normal force?
 
Apparent weight is the normal force, yes.
 
Ok! So now I have:
Fn = ma +fg
Fn = (60kg)(5.20m/s2) + (60kg)(9.81m/s2)
Fn = 312N + 588.6N
Fn = 900.6N
Then do I divide that by 9.81m/s2 to get it into kg? The answer would be 91.8 kg.
 
pauladancer said:
Ok! So now I have:
Fn = ma +fg
Fn = (60kg)(5.20m/s2) + (60kg)(9.81m/s2)
Fn = 312N + 588.6N
Fn = 900.6N
Then do I divide that by 9.81m/s2 to get it into kg? The answer would be 91.8 kg.
That depends. Technically kg is the unit of mass and weight is measured in N. You'll have to ask whoever set the question what they meant. I would play safe and leave it in N.
 
I see. I'll ask someone on Monday. Thank you so much for your help!
 
pauladancer said:
I see. I'll ask someone on Monday. Thank you so much for your help!
Some people use kgf as a measure of force. 1 kgf is the force that gravity would impose on a mass of 1 kgm. To convert N to kgf, divide by 9.81.
 
When we want to find the weight of a body, we can sort of imagine a weighing machine kept under the body. The weighing machine shows the Normal force exterted on it. So yes, we essentially need to find the normal force between the body and the contact. That would be given by the sum of the gravitational force [acts downward,obviously] and the pseudo force exerted due to the upward acc of the elevator [acts downward]
 

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