Eliminating a differential of an e-rickshaw by using 2 motors.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the design of an efficient e-rickshaw using two hub motors for the rear wheels, specifically exploring alternatives to a mechanical differential. Participants examine the implications of wiring motors in series versus parallel and the associated challenges during turning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that wiring the motors in series could theoretically emulate a differential by maintaining the same current and torque in each motor during turns, but notes potential issues with one wheel over speeding.
  • Another participant proposes that if the motors are identical DC motors, wiring them in series would ensure equal torque, which is akin to a differential, but raises the question of speed regulation.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of a mechanical differential compared to electric motor drive, with references to the inefficiencies of hypoid gears and the complexities introduced by series resistance in the power supply.
  • Discussion includes skepticism about the efficiency of the proposed setups, with one participant questioning the basis for claims of inefficiency without further clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the efficiency and practicality of wiring motors in series versus parallel, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of each method.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding motor characteristics, the complexity of speed regulation, and the potential inefficiencies of mechanical differentials, but these aspects remain unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electric vehicle design, specifically in optimizing motor configurations for efficiency and performance in applications like e-rickshaws.

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I would like to design an electric rickshaw with two hub motors on the rear wheels and no differential. Is this best accomplished by having the motors in series or parallel and are complex speed controller algorithms required?
A mechanical differential is heavy and inefficient. To try and design an efficient e-rickshaw I would like to use a hub motor for each rear wheel. My initial enquiries suggest that wiring the motors in series would theoretically emulate a differential by maintaining the same same current and torque in each motor during the turn, but some sources suggest this is problematic in practice with one wheel over speeding. If the motors are wired in parallel they both see the same voltage but motors naturally resist being sped up or slowed down which might cause slipping and inefficiency during turning. Ideally I would like to avoid the complexity of having separate speed controllers and steering sensors. What is the simplest reasonably efficient set up?
 
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Assuming the motors are identical DC motors, wire them in series. The currents will then be the same, so the torques will be the same, which is the electrical equivalent to a differential. It is unlikely that a wheel will spin, if one does, you might switch the motors into parallel.

How will you regulate the speed?
Will you use PWM of an H-bridge?
 
KDP said:
inefficient
Why do you say that? Inefficient in what way?
 
berkeman said:
Why do you say that? Inefficient in what way?
That's a can of worms (pardon the pun). I always 'knew' that the hypoid gear in a normal diff is less efficient than the other gears because of the extra friction due to the sliding component of relative motion. I remember having to buy special oil for the diff. I found this figure which sort of confirms my memory.
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But the comparison with electric motor drive will not be straightforward because of the series resistance in the power supply (could it be really low? perhaps).

The value for a worm gear is not encouraging except when you need it to work just one way. So a screw won't work its way out of a wall unless you're really unlucky.
 

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