Eliminating Variables in Trigonometric Equations for Research Purposes

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The discussion centers on the challenge of eliminating variables from a set of trigonometric equations for research purposes. Participants explore methods to express one variable in terms of others, specifically aiming to express ##\rho## in terms of ##r, t, \phi## while eliminating ##\varphi## and ##\tau##. The context involves mathematical reasoning related to hyperbolic and trigonometric functions.

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  • One participant presents a set of equations and seeks a method to eliminate ##\varphi## and ##\tau## to express ##\rho## in terms of ##r, t, \phi##.
  • Another participant questions whether the problem is a homework assignment and asks for context regarding its origin.
  • A third participant notes the relationship between hyperbolic and trigonometric functions, suggesting a potential avenue for exploration.
  • One participant suggests that it is possible to express ##\varphi## and ##\tau## as functions of the other variables, although they note it may not be straightforward.
  • A later reply clarifies that the original poster is not dealing with a homework problem but rather a research-related issue, referencing a specific thesis for context.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the problem, with some questioning its context while others assert it is part of research work. There is no consensus on the method to eliminate the variables or the best approach to express ##\rho##.

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Some participants highlight the need for additional context regarding the problem's origin and purpose, indicating that the current information may be insufficient for a complete understanding of the equations involved.

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Consider the following set of equations:

##r = \cosh\rho \cos\tau + \sinh\rho \cos\varphi##

##rt = \cosh\rho \sin\tau##

##rl\phi = \sinh\rho \sin\varphi##

Is there some way to combine the equations to get rid of ##\varphi## and ##\tau## and express ##\rho## in terms of ##r, t, \phi##?

I tried the following:

##r^{2} = (\cosh\rho \cos\tau + \sinh\rho \cos\varphi)^{2}##

##r^{2}(t-l\phi)^{2} = (\cosh\rho \sin\tau - \sinh\rho \sin\varphi)^{2}##

so that we have

##r^{2} + r^{2}(t-l\phi)^{2} = \cosh^{2}\rho + \sinh^{2}\rho + 2\cos(\tau+\varphi)\sinh\rho\cosh\rho.##

The above line is not exactly what I want, because of the factor ##\cos(\tau+\varphi)##!

Is there some neat way to get rid of ##\varphi## and ##\tau## and express ##\rho## in terms of ##r, t, \phi##?
 
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Is this a homework problem? What course are you taking?

We need some context here. Where did this problem come from and what do you need it for?
 
You can express ##\varphi## and ##\tau## as function of the other variables using the second and third equation. Not nice, but possible.
 
jedishrfu said:
Is this a homework problem? What course are you taking?

We need some context here. Where did this problem come from and what do you need it for?

This is not a homework problem. This is part of my research work.

The equations are a modified form of (1.17) on page 13 of https://esc.fnwi.uva.nl/thesis/centraal/files/f37733672.pdf.

I need it to make progress in my work.
 

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