Elliptic function - does limit at infinity exist?

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The discussion revolves around the limit of a non-constant periodic meromorphic function as it approaches infinity, specifically questioning whether the limit exists in the complex plane. Participants are examining the implications of periodicity and boundedness in relation to the function's behavior at infinity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between periodicity and the limit at infinity, questioning the necessity of conditions on both |z| and |z + mw|. They discuss the implications of boundedness for meromorphic functions and how periodicity can be leveraged to extend conclusions to all z, not just those with |z| > R.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and examples to clarify points. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of periodicity to show that the limit holds for all z, not just those larger than R. However, there remains some uncertainty about the implications of boundedness and the conditions required for the limit to exist.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the definitions and properties of elliptic functions, particularly in relation to limits and boundedness. There is an emphasis on ensuring that conclusions apply universally across the complex plane, not just in specific regions.

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Homework Statement



I am wanting to show that

##lim_{z\to\infty} f(z)=c## does not exist for ##c \in C##, ##C## the complex plane, where ##f## is non-constant periodic meromorphic function. (elliptic)

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So I want to proove this is not true
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Beginning with the definition:

For any ##\epsilon >0## can find a ##R## s.t ##|z|>R \implies |f(z)-c|<\epsilon## (1)

Now let ##w## be a period.

Then we also have

##|f(z+mw)-c|<\epsilon##(2), for ##m## some integer

Now I attach the solution:

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Questions:

- I thought that (2) would hold automatically, from (1) by periodicty, without additionally needing to have ##|z+mw |>R ##

- Also this would hold following from (1), if not using periodicity, but simply looking at ##|z+mw |>R ##, for ##z## large since a shift by some constant is insignificant? Therefore in the solution, I do not understand the need to specify both, by periodicity and include this condition ##|z+mw |>R ##

- Finally I do not understand the conclusion itself, perhaps due to being unclear on the above points- I understand the goal is to show that if this limit exists it implies that ##f## is holomoprhic (since I then have the theorem that an elliptic function holomorphic is constant, and so proof by contradiction).

I do not understand the conclusion that

##|f(z)-c|=|f(z+mw)-c|<1## (3) implies the ##f(z)## is a bounded holomorphic function.

My interpretation is that since we can vary ##m## to cover a range of values of ##f(z)## which are bounded this conclusion is made? So ##m## generating a lot of points? However isn't this only for large ##z## ? We have only showed bounded for large ##z##? (When ##|z|>R## is satisfied)? Or am I barking up the wrong tree as to why we conclude ##f(z)## is constant from (3)?


Many thanks in advance
 
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Your (2) is valid for |z|>R, but that is not really what you want to show.

You want to show that |f(z)-c| < ##\epsilon## for all z, including those not larger than R in magnitude. So you need the reverse direction. Start with those z, then find (using periodicity) a complex value with a magnitude larger than R.

If f(z) does not differ from c by more than 1 for all z, it is bounded. A bounded meromorphic function is constant.
 
mfb said:
Start with those z, then find (using periodicity) a complex value with a magnitude larger than R.

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So this is ##|z+mw|## but then how does this show that |f(z)-c| < ##\epsilon## for all z, including those not larger than R in magnitude?

Because we can choose any ##m## integer to make this small?
 
We can choose an m such that |z+mw|>R, and there we know that |f(z+mw)-c|< ϵ.
 
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mfb said:
We can choose an m such that |z+mw|>R,

but that's large ##m## isn't it? so again only large ##z##, not all ##z##?
mfb said:
and there we know that |f(z+mw)|< ϵ.

I'm not understanding, what's happened to the ##c##?
 
binbagsss said:
but that's large ##m## isn't it? so again only large ##z##, not all ##z##?
It is sufficient that some m exists, it does not matter how large it is. z can be anything.
I'm not understanding, what's happened to the ##c##?
I forgot it. Should be in there of course.
 
mfb said:
It is sufficient that some m exists, it does not matter how large it is. z can be anything.
I forgot it. Should be in there of course.

Ok, think I may understand at last, so whilst ##|f(z+mw)-c|<\epsilon## could simply follow from a condition only on ##z## , ##|z|>R## , by periodicity, this is still only considering large ##z##.

However if we instead have ##|z+mw|>R##, than the periodicity can be used to make |z+mw| large through ##m## and not ##z##, and so it holds for small ##z## too?
 
I don't understand your last post.

Let's make an example, maybe that is easier to understand.

##\epsilon=0.01##, R=1, w=0.5, c=3.
For |z|>1, we know that |f(z)-3|<0.01, or, in words, f(z) is close to 3. We want to show that f(z) is close to 3 everywhere.

What about z=0.2? We don't have direct condition on that, because 0.2<R. But we know f(0.2)=f(0.7)=f(1.2), and |f(1.2)-3|<0.01, i. e. f(1.2) is close to 3. Therefore, |f(0.2)-3|<0.01, which means f(0.2) is close to 3 as well.
z=-0.4+0.2i? Same idea: f(-0.4+0.2i) = f(1.1+0.2i), and |1.1+0.2i|>1. Again we can conclude that |f(-0.4+0.2i)-3|<0.01.

This approach works for all z with |z|<1. Therefore, |f(z)-3|<0.01 for all z.
We can repeat this with every ##\epsilon>0##, and conclude that |f(z)-3|<##\epsilon## for all ##\epsilon##. Therefore, f(z)=3 everywhere.
 
mfb said:
Your (2) is valid for |z|>R, but that is not really what you want to show.

You want to show that |f(z)-c| < ##\epsilon## for all z, including those not larger than R in magnitude. So you need the reverse direction. Start with those z, then find (using periodicity) a complex value with a magnitude larger than R.

If f(z) does not differ from c by more than 1 for all z, it is bounded. A bounded meromorphic function is constant.

This doesn't need to be ##1## right? The more general definition is |f(z)-c| < ##\epsilon## for ##0< \epsilon <1 ##?
 
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mfb said:
We can repeat this with every ##\epsilon>0##, and conclude that |f(z)-3|<##\epsilon## for all ##\epsilon##. Therefore, f(z)=3 everywhere.

Ahh okay thanks, I think this answers my next question: ##m## is integer so for a fixed ##\epsilon## with the procedure you descried you could only cover a discrete set of points in the complex plane but then by varying ##\epsilon## you can cover continuous points so the whole complex plane? thanks.
 
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binbagsss said:
This doesn't need to be ##1## right? The more general definition is |f(z)-c| < ##\epsilon## for ##0< \epsilon <1 ##?
It works with every positive real number, yes.
binbagsss said:
Ahh okay thanks, I think this answers my next question: ##m## is integer so for a fixed ##\epsilon## with the procedure you descried you could only cover a discrete set of points in the complex plane but then by varying ##\epsilon## you can cover continuous points so the whole complex plane? thanks.
No, you can cover the whole plane with a single value of ##\epsilon##.
Check the example in post 8. I picked z=0.2 and z=-0.4+0.2i as examples, but it works for every z.
 

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