Elliptical Equation of a Spotlight

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The problem involves finding the equation of an elliptical pool of light created by a spotlight that hits the stage floor at an angle. The spotlight has a diameter of 25 cm, and the angle of incidence is 60 degrees. Participants are discussing the relationship between the dimensions of the ellipse and the geometry of the situation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the diameter of the spotlight and the axes of the ellipse. There is an exploration of the correct interpretation of the parameters a and b in the ellipse equation, with some questioning the adequacy of the provided information to determine the lengths of the axes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections regarding the calculations and assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered on how to approach finding the longer axis of the ellipse using trigonometric relationships, but no consensus has been reached on the final solution.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for additional information to fully resolve the problem, particularly regarding the dimensions of the axes of the ellipse. The original poster's attempt at a solution is noted to have inaccuracies that are being addressed by other participants.

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Homework Statement


I've pretty much given up on this problem:

"A spotlight throws a beam of light that is 25 cm in diameter. If the beam hits the stage floor at an angle of 60 degrees with the horizontal, find an equation for the elliptical pool of light on the stage floor. (Figure 2-23)"

http://books.google.com/books?id=4lwuyKlK6FsC&lpg=PA50&ots=cJyn8pzoNu&dq=33&pg=PA50" at Google books.

The answer is [tex](x^2/208.3) + (y^2/156.3) = 1[/tex] (all odd-numbered questions have answers provided in the back). It doesn't show any work, however.

Homework Equations



The equation for an ellipse:

[tex](x^2/a^2) + (y^2/b^2) = 1[/tex]

Equation for circle:

[tex]x^2 + y^2 = a^2[/tex]

Pythagorean Theorem

[tex]a^2 = b^2 + c^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried

[tex]25*cos (60) = 12.5[/tex]

to attempt to find the length of the y-axis above the horizontal. This is correct according to the back of the book as

[tex]12.5^2 = 156.25[/tex].

But now I'm stuck.
 
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You got the wrong number right by accident. The a and b in your equation are like 'radii' not 'diameters'. 156.25=(25/2)^2=(12.5)^2 which is the axis that doesn't get multiplied by any trig function. Because it doesn't change. What's the longer one?
 
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You got the wrong number right by accident. The a and b in your equation are like 'radii' not 'diameters'. 156.25=(25/2)^2=(12.5)^2 which is the axis that doesn't get multiplied by any trig function. Because it doesn't change. What's the longer one?

I agree that the attempted solution should be incorrect because of what you described, but it got the "magic number" (which could have been deduced more properly by theorizing that one axis stays the same length as the diameter of the beam of light). This brings me back to the same question ; it seems (to me at least) there isn't enough information to find the length of the larger axis.
 
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Sure there is. At the point where the 'back' of the beam hits the floor (the one closest to the light) draw a diameter across the beam. That's perpendicular to the beam so it makes one leg of a right triangle with length 25 cm with the length you are looking for being the hypotenuse. Find an angle and use trig.
 
[tex]1/cos (30) = x/25[/tex]

[tex]x/2 = 14.43[/tex]

Substitute for a in the equation

[tex](x^2/208.3) + (y^2/156.3) = 1[/tex]

which is the answer. Thanks :biggrin:.
 
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