Homework Help: EM , magnetic field at centre of a carrying circular loop

1. Apr 1, 2014

binbagsss

The question is to find the magnetic field at the centre of a current carrying circular loop of radius R, where the current = I

Okay so I'm trying to do this by both Amp's Law and Biot Savarts Law, and I can't get my answers to agree.

First method - Biot Savarts Law:

B=$\frac{I\mu_{0}}{4\pi}$$\int$$\frac{dl X \hat{n}}{n^{2}}$

n$^{2}$=R$^{2}$

dl$X$$\hat{n}$=dl (as |n|=R is always perpendicular to a given line element dl)

=> B=$\frac{I\mu_{0}}{4\pi}$$\int$$\frac{dl X \hat{n}}{n^{2}}$=$\frac{I\mu_{0}}{4R^{2}\pi}$$\int$dl=$\frac{I\mu_{0}}{4R^{2}\pi}$2R$\pi$=$\frac{\mu_{0}I}{2R}$

Second method - Ampere's Law:

$\oint$B.dl=$\mu_{0}$I(enclosed)

So B$\oint$dl=$\mu_{0}$I

B2$\pi$R=$\mu_{0}$I

=> B=$\frac{\mu_{0}I}{2πR}$

Thanks in advance.

2. Apr 2, 2014

FishStik

In your Ampere's Law attempt, what is the loop you are using to determine the line integral? How did you arrive at $2\pi R$ in the third line?

3. Apr 3, 2014

binbagsss

An amperian loop running over the circular loop of wire

4. Apr 3, 2014

FishStik

Ampère's law only applies in magnetostatics. That is, $\vec{B}\cdot d\vec{l}$ must be constant for all $d\vec{l}$ in the loop. Is that the case for your ampèrian loop?

5. Apr 3, 2014

binbagsss

Oh okay, because $I$ constantly changes direction so does the direction of the magnetic field, although its magnitude is equal, and so B can not be taken outside the integral in line 3 of original post. Am I correct in thinking it is not possible to find any amperian loop were $B$.$dl$ is constant?

6. Apr 3, 2014

FishStik

Correct. Ampere's Law can only be applied when B•dl is constant along the entire loop. It can be used for situations such as an infinitely long wire or solenoid because symmetry ensures that B is constant. There is no such symmetry in a single loop, so that's why Ampere's law isn't useful in this case.

7. Apr 3, 2014

BruceW

yeah. also, you can derive the Biot-Savart law from Ampere's law, if you want some practice at integration.

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