Emergent Gravity and the Dark Universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of emergent gravity and its implications for understanding the universe, particularly in relation to the communication of information between micro and macro spaces. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of gravity's emergence and the nature of information in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how micro and macro spaces communicate information, suggesting that this communication is necessary for gravity to emerge, as proposed in a referenced paper.
  • The same participant questions the origins of gravity and spacetime, pondering whether the information was pre-coded, similar to DNA.
  • Another participant notes the existence of extensive discussions on 'Verlinde' within the forum, indicating ongoing interest or relevance.
  • A different participant emphasizes that observing a transition from state 'A' to state 'B' does not imply that state 'A' was intentionally configured to lead to state 'B', highlighting a distinction between observation and model predictions.
  • There is a mention of a previous thread with the same title, suggesting that this topic has been discussed before in the forum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the nature of emergent gravity and the implications of information communication. The discussion remains unresolved with various perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the unclear definitions of micro and macro spaces, the assumptions about information being pre-coded, and the unresolved nature of the theoretical models discussed.

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I am not sure about how micro and macro spaces communicate information, but this paper seems to need it for gravity to emerge. The paper is far to advanced for me to understand completely

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.02269v2.pdf

It also seems that in this paper that gravity and space time emerged, Emerged from what? was the information
pre coded like DNA, I am confused.

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It seems like all these bits of information were pre ordained to make a universe.
 
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Searching for 'Verlinde' in PF gives seven pages of results.
 
BvU said:
Searching for 'Verlinde' in PF gives seven pages of results.

Thank you BvU, but the only information i can glean is as my OP.
 
If it is observed that a state 'A' can eventually lead to a state 'B', that is simply an observation of what in fact happens.
That doesn't carry any implication that state 'A' must have been purposefully configured so that state 'B' will eventually emerge.

If we are dealing not with observations but predictions from models the same applies, although models are not definitive facts.
 
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A thread by the same title as this thread was started back in Nov 2016 in the BTSM forum.
 

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