Energy Changes in Capacitor After Disconnecting from Battery

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The discussion revolves around energy changes in a capacitor after it is disconnected from a battery, particularly focusing on the effects of inserting a dielectric and changing the distance between the plates. The subject area is primarily related to electrostatics and capacitor theory.

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  • Participants explore the relationships between charge, capacitance, and energy in capacitors, questioning how these change when a dielectric is introduced and then removed. There is an examination of the formulas for energy in capacitors and how they apply to the problem at hand.

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Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between the variables involved, while others express confusion regarding the provided answer options. There is a mix of agreement on certain calculations, but also acknowledgment of discrepancies in the expected results.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific answer choices that do not align with their calculations, leading to further questioning of their reasoning and assumptions about the setup.

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Homework Statement
A parallel-plate capacitor with a plate separation of ##d## is connected to a battery, having energy ##U_1##. A dielectric with a constant ##k=2## is inserted between the capacitor's plates, and the plate separation is reduced by 20%. The capacitor is then disconnected from the battery, and the dielectric is removed. The energy stored in the capacitor changes to ##U_2##. What is the ratio ##U_1/U_2##?
Relevant Equations
##q = CV##
My try:

At first, the energy is ##U_1 = \dfrac {q^2_1}{2C_1}##. After inserting the dielectric and reducing the distance between plates, the capacitance changes to ##\dfrac {5}{2}C_1##, and because the voltage is constant, we have ##q_2 = \dfrac {5}{2}q_1##. When we disconnect it from the battery and remove the dielectric, the charge remains unchanged but both capacitance and voltage start changing... So ##q_2 = \dfrac {5}{2}q_1## and ##C_2 = \dfrac {5}{4}C_1##, so ##U_2 = \dfrac {5}{2}U_1##, and therefore ##U_1/U_2 = \dfrac {2}{5} = 0.4##.

But the options are:
  1. 25/4
  2. 25/16
  3. 4/25
  4. 16/25
 
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MatinSAR said:
... So ##q_2 = \dfrac {5}{2}q_1## and ##C_2 = \dfrac {5}{4}C_1##
Agreed.

MatinSAR said:
so ##U_2 = \dfrac {5}{2}U_1##, and therefore ##U_1/U_2 = \dfrac {2}{5} = 0.4##.
Check - remember ##U = \frac 12 \frac {Q^2}C##.

But, having said that, I don't get any of the answers in the list.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
Check - remember ##U = \frac 12 \frac {Q^2}C##.
Yes I forget that ##U_1## has ##2## in denominator.
$$U_2 = \dfrac {(25/4)q^2_1}{(5/2)C_1}= (5/2)(q^2_1/C_1)$$$$U_1 = \dfrac {q^2_1}{2C_1}$$$$U_1/U_2 = 1/5$$
Do you agree with my reasoning?
 
MatinSAR said:
Yes I forget that ##U_1## has ##2## in denominator.
$$U_2 = \dfrac {(25/4)q^2_1}{(5/2)C_1}= (5/2)(q^2_1/C_1)$$$$U_1 = \dfrac {q^2_1}{2C_1}$$$$U_1/U_2 = 1/5$$
Do you agree with my reasoning?
Yes. FWIW I like to use proportionality for this type of problem. Down to personal preferences of course.

##U = \frac {Q^2}{2C}##. Since ##Q## changes by a factor ##\frac 52## and ##C## changes by a factor ##\frac 54##, ##U## changes by a factor ##\frac {{(\frac 52)^2}}{{\frac 54}} = 5##. I.e. ##U_2 = 5U_1##.
 
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