Energy conservation and periodic motion

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The problem involves a system of four weightless rods forming a rhombus, with a load suspended from one hinge and connected by a spring. The context is energy conservation and periodic motion, specifically determining the period of small oscillations of the load when the rods are at an angle with the vertical.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply energy conservation but expresses confusion over the results. Some participants question the definitions of variables used, particularly the meaning of 'x'. Others suggest considering kinetic energy and the restorative forces involved in harmonic motion.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting that energy conservation may be a simpler approach. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between displacement and the forces acting on the system, particularly for small oscillations.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of energy conservation and the definitions of variables. Participants are also discussing the implications of small angle approximations and the nature of restorative forces in the context of harmonic motion.

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Homework Statement


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Four weightless rods of length ##l## each are connected by hinged joints and form a rhomb (Fig. 48). A hinge A is fixed, and a load is suspended to a hinge C. Hinges D and B are connected by a weightless spring of length ##1.5l## in the undeformed state. In equilibrium, the rods form angles ##\alpha _0 = 30° ## with the vertical. Determine the period T of small oscillations of the load.

Homework Equations


##U = mgh ##
##U = \frac{1}{2} kx^2 ##

The Attempt at a Solution


I used energy conservation law in this case. But this gave me crazy results. Surely, I have made a mistake to apply this law. Would you please help me to find out the mistake ?
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So, ## h = 2l cos \alpha## ... (i) ;
##y = 2l sin \alpha## ;
Expansion (or compression) of the spring, ## x = y - 1.5 l = l ( 2sin \alpha - 1.5)## ...(ii)
Let the spring constant be ##k## and the mass of the load be ##m##;
Applying energy conservation law :
## \frac{1}{2} kx^2 - mgh = constant ## [when h increase, gravitational potential decreases]
## kx \frac {dx}{dt} - mg \frac {dh}{dt} = 0##
##kx - mg \frac {dh}{dx} = 0## ... (iii)
But, from eq. (i) & (ii), ## \frac{dh}{dx} = - tan \alpha ##
So, (iii) >>
## kx = -mg tan \alpha ## ;
## k = - \frac{mg tan \alpha}{x} = - \frac{mg tan \alpha}{ l ( 2sin \alpha - 1.5)} ##
So, ##k## becomes variable.
 
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I don't follow your equations. What is x?

I would take x = h - h0 (where h0 is the equilibrium point).
 
PeroK said:
I don't follow your equations. What is x?

I would take x = h - h0 (where h0 is the equilibrium point).
x is the expansion of the spring.
 
Okay. I missed that. Where's your Kinetic Energy?
 
PeroK said:
Okay. I missed that. Where's your Kinetic Energy?
Oh! Sorry! How could I make such a silly mistake!:))
Thanks for your help.
 
Oscillation means that neither x nor h are constant. So you don't want the equation you wrote.

Harmonic oscillation comes from a restorative force proportional to the distance away from equilibrium. So you want to try to figure out the force pushing the system back to equilibrium. You have the equilibrium position. Suppose you push the mass up by a short distance, call it d. What will the force be that is required to hold the mass there? It should be some constant times d. And the direction should be such that the system is trying to push the mass back to its equilibrium. That is, the system will provide a force of the following form.

F = - Keff d

Here Keff is the effective spring constant of the system.

Once you have that, then you can do the usual things for harmonic motion to get the period.
 
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DEvens said:
Oscillation means that neither x nor h are constant. So you don't want the equation you wrote.

Harmonic oscillation comes from a restorative force proportional to the distance away from equilibrium. So you want to try to figure out the force pushing the system back to equilibrium. You have the equilibrium position. Suppose you push the mass up by a short distance, call it d. What will the force be that is required to hold the mass there? It should be some constant times d. And the direction should be such that the system is trying to push the mass back to its equilibrium. That is, the system will provide a force of the following form.

F = - Keff d

Here Keff is the effective spring constant of the system.

Once you have that, then you can do the usual things for harmonic motion to get the period.

In this case the restorative force is not proportional to the displacement.
 
PeroK said:
In this case the restorative force is not proportional to the displacement.

For small displacements it should be. Otherwise it will not produce simple harmonic oscillation. Presumably what will be needed are the small angle approximations to the sin and cos functions.
 
It looks a lot easier to use energy conservation, as the OP intended.
 
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DEvens said:
Oscillation means that neither x nor h are constant. So you don't want the equation you wrote.

Harmonic oscillation comes from a restorative force proportional to the distance away from equilibrium. So you want to try to figure out the force pushing the system back to equilibrium. You have the equilibrium position. Suppose you push the mass up by a short distance, call it d. What will the force be that is required to hold the mass there? It should be some constant times d. And the direction should be such that the system is trying to push the mass back to its equilibrium. That is, the system will provide a force of the following form.

F = - Keff d

Here Keff is the effective spring constant of the system.

Once you have that, then you can do the usual things for harmonic motion to get the period.
I solved this problem using this technique. Thanks for your help.
 
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