Undergrad Energy contained in fuel in speed of light ship

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As a ship approaches the speed of light, its momentum increases, requiring more energy for acceleration, leading to the conclusion that infinite energy would be necessary to reach light speed. The discussion highlights that while the ship's mass decreases as it expels fuel, the energy needed to continue accelerating increases at a faster rate, preventing it from reaching light speed. The concept of relativistic mass is deemed outdated, with emphasis placed on the conservation of energy within closed systems. Acceleration can theoretically continue indefinitely, but the ship will never reach or exceed the speed of light due to the limitations imposed by relativity. Overall, the conversation underscores the complexities of relativistic physics and the impossibility of surpassing light speed.
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Boing3000 said:
The calculator got me 0.9999999999924827 for 5*10^5 light year. After that , rounding errors seems to kick in.
I'll do one myself using high precision library. I supposed you had some handy.
You're right. I must have messed up the calculation.
 
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A constant 1 g acceleration for decades is beyond any feasibility with the universe as we know it, so that problem is purely theoretical.

A 100% antimatter/matter annihilation rocket with an Isp of 3*107 seconds (5 orders of magnitude higher than chemical rockets, 10 orders of magnitude in terms of energy density) would use about 2/3 of the ship mass as propellant per year to maintain this acceleration (as seen by the ship). Over 30 years, you need 1014 times the ship mass as propellant (likely more as you need multiple stages). A single kilogram as final ship mass would need 1014 kg of antimatter/matter, with an energy content of 1031 J, several billion times the global yearly energy consumption.

There is no known way to get 100% efficiency, however. In particular, some energy will be lost to neutrinos (assuming we have to use baryons). If just 50% of the energy contributes to thrust, we need 8/9 of the ship mass per year. Over 30 years, a single kilogram of ship mass will need 1028 kg of matter/antimatter, or 1045 J. That exceeds the energy released in a typical supernova by an order of magnitude and violates the rule that supernovae are always stronger.

You can scoop up matter on the way and use that as propellant - but that won't work beyond some critical (engineering-dependent) speed as scooping up the particles will slow the ship more than expelling it can accelerate it.
 
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