Energy created by a balloon released underwater

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The discussion revolves around the energy generated by a balloon released underwater, specifically focusing on the mechanics of buoyancy and energy transfer as the balloon ascends through water. Participants explore theoretical calculations related to the energy produced during the balloon's rise from a depth of 200 feet to a stopping point 100 feet below the surface.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how much energy (in Watts) is created by a balloon released underwater, providing specific parameters such as depth, travel length, and balloon volume.
  • Another participant suggests a formula involving the mass of displaced water, gravity, and the difference in depth to calculate energy.
  • A subsequent reply confirms that the formula indeed calculates the energy produced by the volume of water displaced by the balloon.
  • Further calculations are presented, including conversions to Watts, but the participant expresses uncertainty about the theoretical implications of the energy produced versus the energy required for the balloon's ascent.
  • One participant notes that the total energy gained is less than the total energy required for the event, indicating a potential misunderstanding or complexity in the energy dynamics involved.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the calculations or the theoretical implications of the energy dynamics involved in the balloon's ascent. There are differing views on the assumptions made in the calculations and the relevance of certain factors.

Contextual Notes

Some approximations in the calculations include neglecting the weight of the balloon and air, and not accounting for energy dissipation due to water flow, heat, or sound. These factors may affect the accuracy of the energy calculations presented.

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How much energy (Watts?) would be created by a balloon that was released under water? I am picturing a scuba diver's inflatable vest (a BC) that is suddenly inflated (assume zero air inside to begin with). Or more accurately if you have ever seen a free-diver who swims down a few hundred feet and then inflates the balloon that rockets them back up to the surface. In both cases, compressed air is released into a balloon-like vessel all at once. Assume the following:

Depth released: 200ft below sea level
Length of travel: 100ft (stops 100ft below surface)
Volume of balloon: 3 cubic ft
Balloon holds this 3 cubic ft of air at 100psi so it will inflate at 200ft- assumed .5psi per ft. (don't know if this is relevant)

I am interested in how much energy is generated in the 100ft of travel towards the surface. Does the energy increase in direct relation to the length of travel or along some sort of a curve? A formula would be great so I could input different numbers. Thanks in advance for the help!
 
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Hi.
Mass of that volume of water * g * ( depth2 - depth1 ), I think.
Regards.
 
Thanks, Springs. I take it that is the volume of water displaced by the balloon (ie 3 cubic ft)?

If it is the volume displaced then:

Kw=(Mass of Water per cubic Ft)*(Gravity)*(Depth2 - Depth1)

Kw=(62.4 lbs/cu ft*volume)*(9.8m/s^2)*(Depth2 - Depth1)Kw=(187.2 Lbs)*(31.36 FT/s^2)*(200ft-100ft)

Kw=587,059 Ft Lbs/Sec^2

Kw=766.19 Ft Lbs/Sec

Kw=1.039

Watts=1038.96

Correct?

Also, that formula seems to say to me "energy produced by a volume of water free falling a given distance" as opposed to the same volume of air floating a given distance through water, but I am certainly a novice. What is the theory there?
 
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Hi.

ceej said:
Kw=(187.2 Lbs)*(31.36 FT/s^2)*(200ft-100ft)
Kw=587,059 Ft Lbs/Sec^2

Unit of the last formula is
Kw=587,059 Lbs Ft^2 /Sec^2
By multiplying the constant ratio of 1kg/1Lbs * (1m/1Ft)^2 , this will give Joule = Watt sec , MKSA unit of energy.

You are right. the difference of heights of water ( or minus water mass excluded by the balloon ) generates kinetic energy of balloon.
Some approximations done are
- weight of balloon including air was neglected to zero. You should replace water mass to the mass difference of water and balloon in the formula for correction.
- there is no water flow, heat, sound or any other energy dissipation by motion of balloon.
Regards.
 
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I'm sure this is well understood by the OP and Sweet, but for others keep in mind that the total energy gained is less than the total energy required to enable the event.
 
Deleted post which didn't make much sense!
 
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