Energy in 6V Dry-Cell Battery: -3.25E^9 J

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy delivered by a 6 V dry-cell flashlight battery over a 60-hour period, during which the voltage decreases from 6 V to 4 V. Participants explore the implications of this calculation, including the interpretation of negative energy values and the use of average voltage in energy calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method to calculate energy using a function for voltage that decreases linearly over time, resulting in a negative energy value of -3.25E^9 J.
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the integral by factoring out the constant current and using the average voltage for the calculation, which leads to a positive energy value.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial negative energy result but emphasizes that it can be interpreted in the context of active and passive elements, where a power source may deliver negative energy.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the initial negative result and validate their methods through re-calculation, leading to positive outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of negative energy values, with some accepting it as valid in the context of active elements, while others focus on the positive energy calculation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of negative energy in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of active and passive elements and how they relate to energy calculations. The discussion also highlights potential confusion in the integration process and the interpretation of results.

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Homework Statement



The manufacturer of a 6 V dry-cell flashlight battery says that the battery will deliver 15 mA for 60 continuous hours. During that time, the voltage will drop from 6 V to 4 V. Assume the drop in voltage is linear with time. How much energy does the battery deliver in this 60 h interval?

Homework Equations



p=\frac {dw}{dt}=vi
w=\int vi \; dt
y-y_1=m(x-x_1)

The Attempt at a Solution



Okay, so this is a pretty elementary problem...but whatever. I know that at t=0, the battery will be putting out 6 V. I also know that after 60 hours (or 2.6E^5 seconds), the battery will be putting out 4 V. I used this information, along with the equation of a line in point-slope form, to find a function of voltage in terms of time. That function is...

V(t)=-9.3E^{-6}t + 6

Okay, so now I have a function for voltage, and a constant current, enough to use my second equation, w=\int vi \; dt, where w is energy.

w=\int_0^{2.16E^5}(-9.3E^{-6}t+6)(15E^{-3}\;dt
The units work out right, and I arrive at -3.25E^9 J.

Does everything look alright? Or have I gone in a totally incorrect direction. The negative value is what is really throwing me off.
 
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Since the current is constant, bring it outside of the integral.

One can also write the integrand as 6 - 9.26E-6t, which should integrate to _____?

I get a positive number.


One can do a quick overcheck with V*I*time, remembering that V*I = power.

Now since V decreases linearly from 6 to 4 V, the average is simply 5 V (J/coul), then multiply by current 0.015 A (coul/s), and time of 216,000 s.
 
Thanks! I'm not exactly sure why I was getting a negative number, but when I went through and re-did it, it came out positive. But hey, atleast I know my method was sound!

I wasn't positive I could just use the average, although it makes perfect sense. Silly me.Once again, thank you very much!
 
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Thanks! I'm not exactly sure why I was getting a negative number, but when I went through and re-did it, it came out positive. But hey, atleast I know my method was sound!

I wasn't positive I could just use the average, although it makes perfect sense. Silly me.


Once again, thank you very much!

I also found a negative energy, which is OK. A positive energy is dissipated at the load. The power source delivers a negative energy.
This goes with the definition of active and passive elements. In a passive element the energy is always nonnegative, while in an active element it can be negative. The power source is an active element.
 

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