Energy-Momentum Equation of a Particle

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Energy-Momentum equation of a particle and its Stress-Energy equation. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, mathematical formulations, and the implications of these equations within the context of relativistic physics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the Energy-Momentum equation, m^2 = E^2 - p^2, and discusses the definition of a mass 4-vector, m^\mu = (E^0, p^i).
  • Another participant suggests the need for clearer notation regarding intrinsic mass and the mass 4-vector, proposing the notation \hat{m}^\mu = (E, p^i).
  • A participant proposes the form T^{\mu\nu}=\rho u^{\mu} u^{\nu} for the stress-energy tensor, noting the potential need for a delta function around the position.
  • Further elaboration on the stress-energy tensor includes a focus on the time-time component, T00, and its interpretation in terms of energy density, suggesting a conversion to consistent units to avoid confusion.
  • Concerns are raised about the Lorentz invariance of the derived equations when dividing by a volume element.
  • One participant reflects on the deeper implications of the mass-energy-momentum equation, questioning its linearity and its relation to the underlying continuum of spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between the Energy-Momentum and Stress-Energy equations, with no consensus reached. Some participants agree on the utility of the 4-velocity in the discussion, while others raise concerns about the implications of their formulations and the need for consistent units.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the Lorentz invariance of certain expressions and the need for careful treatment of units and definitions in the context of relativistic physics.

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How do I get from the Energy-Momentum equation of a particle to its Stress-Energy equation?

By way of introducing the energy-momentum equation:

For a single particle, in units where c=1, a relationship between mass, energy and momentum appear as a direct result of the 4-velocity:

[tex]m^2 = E^2 - p^2[/tex]

We can define a 4-vector,

[tex]m^\mu = (E^0, p^i) \ ,[/tex]

(Greek indices ranges from 0 to 3, Latin indices ranges from 1 to 3 indexing spatial coordinates, and 0 is the temporal coordinate.)

Mass is defined as the magnitude of the 4-vector,

[tex]m^2 = m^\mu m_\mu \ .[/tex]​

If the world line of the particle in question passes through some 4-volume, equally distrubuted in the volume, dtdxdydz we should have a stress-energy energy equation for this volume. Or am I wrong?

...I guess it's better to ask about an infinitessimal mass, dm, or about a finite 4-volume delta t delta x delta y delta z. Either way, it would be wonderful to know how to approach this problem.
 
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My notation may be confusing. I should use different symbols for intrinsic mass and the mass 4-vector, and make a few other touch-ups.

[tex]m^2 = E^2 - \textbf{p}^2[/tex]

[tex]\hat{m}^\mu = (E, p^i)[/tex]

[tex]m^2 = \hat{m}^\mu \hat{m}_\mu[/tex]
 
What about

[tex] T^{\mu\nu}=\rho u^{\mu} u^{\nu}[/tex]

except you might need a delta function around the position.
 
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Mentz114 said:
What about

[tex] T^{\mu\nu}=\rho u^{\mu} u^{\nu}[/tex]

except you might need a delta function around the position.

I think you're on the right track. Bringing in the 4-velocity was a good idea. In mulling this over, this afternoon, a good place to start is with the time-time component of the stress-energy tensor.

In common units, T00 has units of relativistic mass per unit volume. We want energy units, but we can get energy density by multiplying by c2.

The equation m2 = E2 - p2 can be taken as an equation about mass, energy and momentum densities, instead, by dividing each term by a unit volume. It's not quite solving for a particle moving in some trajectory, but similar.

Come to think of it, m2 = E2 - p2, should be put in consistent units anyway, to avoid confusion.

m2c4 = E2 - p2c2

So now it's in energy units which is what we wanted. In terms of spatial densities,

ρm2c4 = ρE2 - ρp2c2

At this point we have to be careful, because it's not Lorentz invariant. I divided by a volume element which is not Lorentz invariant...
 
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George. You’ve changed your picture. Nice little family. Best of times to you.

I’m trying to find some deeper meaning to the mass-energy-momentum equation. The heuristic, m2 = E2 - p2, says nothing about the underlying continuum that gives rise to the particle, yet there it is. It also seems far too linear to arise from a nonlinear theory of spacetime, except as a low energy solution.

The heuristic is to go back to Minkowski space, or an asymptotically flat part of spacetime, invoke the 4-velocity as a direct consequence of relativity and claim the 4-velocity, rescaled by mass, is a local property of a body at some given (t,x,y,z).
 
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