Energy of a Hydrogen Flouride molecule in normal mode vibration

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The discussion focuses on the energy of a hydrogen fluoride (HF) molecule modeled as a coupled oscillator. The total energy of the system is expressed as E = 1/2 k(xH - xF)², where k is the spring constant, and xH and xF represent the displacements of the hydrogen and fluoride atoms, respectively. The participants clarify that the total energy should include both kinetic and potential energy components, specifically 1/2 mv² and 1/2 kx². Additionally, the relationship between the displacements of the two atoms is emphasized, noting that they displace in opposite directions while maintaining the center of mass.

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Homework Statement


Hi everyone! first post here :)

Basically, the question is as follows:
Consider a hydrogen fluoride molecule (atomic mass of H is 1g/mole and of F is 19 g/mole).
1. Write the energy of the system in terms of the displacements of both atoms.

There are other questions but if i can get this one I think the others will be fine.


Homework Equations


This is a coupled oscillator problem, so we're gona model it as two masses with a spring in between, that has a stiffness k. the equations are:
Total energy E = 1/2 kx2
General solution to the coupled oscillator differential equation: x = A cos(ωt) (we don't have to worry about phase shift)
Restoring force F by Hooke's law = -kx

The Attempt at a Solution



What I'm having trouble with is 2 things:

1st of all - my professor has written in his reference notes that the total energy E of another similar problem is 1/2 kx2. Shouldn't it be 1/2 kA2; the sum of 1/2 mv2 and 1/2 kx2?

secondly - I am a bit confused as to how I'm meant to work with the displacements - since each atom displaces in the opposite direction (I don't think there is any normal mode other than this one) how do i construct the problem? Anyway, here's what I got for a solution but I have no way of telling if its right since its an assessed assignment:

If we consider the displacement of the hydrogen atom as xH and that of the fluoride atom as xF then:

E = 1/2 kx2 = 1/2 k(xH-xF)2

So...here's the confusion now...the signs of the displacements xH and xF...what are they? @_@ and is the equation I am using even the right one?

Thanks a lot guys!
 
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Hi Dixanadu, welcome to the forum.
Dixanadu said:
Basically, the question is as follows:
Consider a hydrogen fluoride molecule (atomic mass of H is 1g/mole and of F is 19 g/mole).
Pedantry point: I believe it's "fluoride".
Total energy E = 1/2 kx2
Shouldn't it be ... the sum of 1/2 mv2 and 1/2 kx2?
Yes.
secondly - I am a bit confused as to how I'm meant to work with the displacements - since each atom displaces in the opposite direction

If we consider the displacement of the hydrogen atom as xH and that of the fluoride atom as xF then:
You know that the mass centre of the system won't change. That gives you a relationship between the two displacements. The extension of the 'spring' will be their sum.
 

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