Energy of an electric quadrupole in an Electric Field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy of an electric quadrupole moment in an electromagnetic field, particularly within the context of first-order perturbation theory. Participants explore the mathematical expressions related to the energy interactions of electric quadrupoles, drawing comparisons to electric and magnetic dipoles.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to derive the energy expression for an electric quadrupole in an electric field, similar to known expressions for dipoles.
  • Another participant provides a link to a Wikipedia page on electric quadrupole radiation, although it is noted that the link lacks sufficient detail.
  • A mathematical expression for the energy of an electric quadrupole is proposed: U_Q = -\frac{1}{3}\bf[Q]:[{\nabla} E].
  • Further clarification is requested regarding the operation ":" in the proposed expression, with an assumption that it yields a scalar.
  • A correction is made to the initial expression, stating that the correct equation involves the second derivative of the electric field: U_Q = -\frac{1}{3}\bf[Q]:[{\nabla}\nabla E].

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on specific mathematical operations. There is no consensus on the final expression for the energy of the electric quadrupole, as corrections and questions about definitions remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight the need for further references and clarification on specific mathematical operations, indicating that the discussion may depend on definitions and interpretations of the notation used.

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Hello, I have tried to look for related threads but could not find any. Please excuse me if this is a repetition. I was curious about the energy of an electric quadrupole moment in an electro-magnetic field.

Basically, i am trying to follow first order perturbation theory and derive the matrix element of an atom interacting with a field in Bohm's Quantum Theory book - upon expansion, we get terms that "look" like an electric dipole, magnetic dipole and so on.

For example, the energy of an electric dipole in an electric field is E dotted with d (dipole moment). Likewise, that of a magnetic dipole would mu (magnetic moment) dotted with B. I am looking for a similar expression for the quadrupole.

Any help, as well as references are greatly appreciated. Thanks again!
 
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hmm...thanks for the link friend, but it doesn't give me enough detail unfortunately :(
 
U_Q = -\frac{1}{3}\bf[Q]:[{\nabla} E].
 
thanks a lot clem, that really helps a lot...do you have reference by any chance?
 
Section 2.4 of Franklin's "Classical Electromagnetism" discusses electric quadrupoles.
 
What does the operation : signify? I assume it yields a scalar here, since the expression is for energy, but how is it defined? Thank you
 
JJfortherear said:
What does the operation : signify? I assume it yields a scalar here, since the expression is for energy, but how is it defined? Thank you

What clem said about Franklin's "Classical Electromagnetism" are wise words in this context :P

clem said:
Section 2.4 of Franklin's "Classical Electromagnetism" discusses electric quadrupoles.
 
clem said:
U_Q = -\frac{1}{3}\bf[Q]:[{\nabla} E].
That is a misprint.
The correct equation is
U_Q = -\frac{1}{3}\bf[Q]:[{\nabla}\nabla E]
=-\frac{1}{3}[(\bf[Q]\cdot\nabla)\cdot\nabla] E.
 
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