Energy/Power Question for pumping water out of a well

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy and power required for pumping water out of a well, specifically focusing on the physics of lifting water and the associated equations of energy and power.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between power, energy, and time, questioning how to apply the equations to find the velocity of water being pumped. There are discussions about the weight of water and the energy required to lift it a certain height, with some participants suggesting calculations based on the density of water.

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Several participants have provided insights into the calculations and the importance of including units in the work. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem from both a per unit volume perspective and through the derivation of relevant equations. Some participants have raised questions about the practical implications of pump placement in relation to the well depth.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the pump's location affects its ability to lift water, with discussions referencing the maximum suction capabilities of pumps and the implications of pump placement in a well.

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Homework Statement
A water pump has a power rating of 1000. W. If the kinetic energy change is negligible, how many liters of water per second can it pump from a 20.0 m deep well?
Relevant Equations
P= E/t
Ek= (1/2)mv^2
Eg= mgh
E = Fd
Im guessing you start off with P=E/t but I'm unsure of what I need to sub in, in order to solve for v.

P = 1000W
h = 20m
v=?
 
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How much does each liter of water weigh? And then how much energy does it take to lift each liter of water 20 meters? ...
 
berkeman said:
How much does each liter of water weigh? And then how much energy does it take to lift each liter of water 20 meters? ...
density of water is 1.0 kg/L

So... E=mgh
E=1(9.8)(20)
E=196J
then sub that in P=E/t
??
 
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Looks good so far. Be sure to keep carrying units along in your calculations like you are doing so far...

But maybe include units in some of your intermediate calculations too...

Physics_Amazing said:
E=1[kg](9.8[m/s^2])(20[m])
 
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I think it helps significantly to think about it on a per unit volume basis.

The energy the pump added was(as you found):

$$E = mgh $$

You can use the density of water to look at it on a per unit volume basis as follows:

$$ E = m g h = \rho V\llap{-} g h \implies \frac{E}{ V\llap{-} } = \rho g h $$

Now, what do you get if you multiply the Energy per unit Volume by the Volume per unit Time?
 
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Relevant Equations:
P= E/t
Ek= (1/2)mv^2
Eg= mgh
E = Fd

On the other hand, the derivation can be performed before putting in values.

starting with E = Fd

the pump has to supply that much work, so W = Fd.

Multiply the right hand side by 1, using an area m2 of a volume that the force acts upon,
W = ( F / m2 ) (d m2 )

giving W = p V , where p is pressure, V is volume

take the derivative of both sides,
dW/dt = p dV/dt, assuming pressure p is constant,

giving, the general equation.
pump power P = p Q , or power = pressure( N/ m2 ) times flow rate ( m3/ sec )
 
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Lnewqban said:
I would say zero, unless the pump is located inside the well and not higher than around 7 meters from the free surface of the water.

Please, see:
https://processengineering.co.uk/article/2019233/maximum-suction
Well pumps aren’t suction side pumps. They are lowered into the well so NPSH will not be an issue.

Generally speaking though, you are correct. The location of a pump in a particular application can have consequences. If you tried to suck it up from the top of the well thinking it’s a pump maintenance time saver, there is going to be a problem!
 
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