Energy radiated by a parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the energy radiated by a parallel-plate capacitor during its discharge through a resistor. The original poster presents a problem involving the capacitor's initial charge and seeks to understand the fraction of energy radiated away compared to the energy stored in the capacitor.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to model the capacitor as a dipole and integrate over a sphere to analyze radiation, expressing confusion about the energy calculations. Some participants suggest considering Maxwell's equations and the Poynting vector for a more accurate analysis, while others reference specific literature for guidance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the energy calculations and the underlying physics. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of dipole equations and the need to consider radiation effects, but no consensus has been reached.

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There is mention of the quasi-stationary state assumption in energy calculations, and the original poster expresses uncertainty about the relationship between stored and radiated energy. References to specific equations and literature indicate a need for deeper exploration of the topic.

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Homework Statement



A parallel-plate capacitor C , with plate separation d , is given an initial
charge ±Q_{0}. It is then connected to a resistor R, and discharges, Q(t)=Q_{0} e^{-t/RC}
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(a) What fraction of its energy Q_{0}^{2}/2C does it radiate away?

Homework Equations



The equations for an electric dipole, involving the retarded time.

The Attempt at a Solution



I have been at this for hours and don't know what to do. I think I should treat the capacitor as a dipole at a very great distance away and integrate over a massive sphere as one does for an oscillating dipole. However this was taking me an age, and you get to the point where coshx is the only real solution so rather than being able to time average cos^2(x) as usual, you just can't do that.

There must be something I'm missing. I know the energy loss from the capacitor Q_{0}^{2}/2C , and I know the energy stored in the capacitor, but they appear to be the same amount, when logically they should be different, witht the difference in energy equalling the anergy radiated away. Any help would be great.
 
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Not my field of expertise, so others may modify the following:

The stored and dissipated energies do indeed compute to the same number. But these computations assume the quasi-stationary state. In reality, if you want to be really picky about it you'd have to start with the Maxwell relations modified for radiation. These include changing from del x E = 0 to del x E = -∂B/∂t and from del x H = i to del x H = i + ∂D/∂t. You would then have to compute the Poynting vector P = E x H and integrate it over a closed surface enveloping the entire circuit including the plates. Dn't ask me how that would be done. All I can tell you is that the answer is very, very close to zero for all practical applications..
 
Thank you very much for the reply, I'll give it a shot!
 
For those still seeking answers to this questoin (Griffiths Electrodynamics 11.8 in the 4th Edition), you should use the dipole equation $p=Qd$ then work from there.
 

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