Energy radiated from a charge in electric field

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This problem involves a positive charge q moving towards a stationary positive charge Q, analyzing the energy radiated away as it decelerates and returns to infinity. The context is within the subject area of electrodynamics, specifically focusing on radiation due to acceleration in an electric field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Larmor formula and the relationship between radiation power and energy loss. There are attempts to express the energy radiated in terms of the particle's motion and acceleration, with some participants questioning the assumptions made about the particle's energy conservation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using different substitutions to simplify the integration process. There is an ongoing exploration of various approaches to evaluate the fraction of energy radiated, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the assumption that the effect of radiative losses on the motion of the particle can be ignored, which influences their calculations and reasoning. There is also mention of the need to integrate over specific limits related to the particle's trajectory.

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Homework Statement


This is problem 11.13 from Griffiths Introduction to Electrodynamics 4th Ed.
A positive charge q is fired head-on at a distant positive charge Q (which is held stationary) with a initial velocity v_0. It comes in, decelerates to v=0 and returns out to infinity. What fraction of its initial energy (\frac{1}{2}mv_0^2) is radiated away? Assume v_0<<c and that you can safely ignore the effect of radiative losses on the motion of the particle. Answer: \frac{16}{45}\frac{q}{Q}\left(\frac{v_o}{c}\right)^3


Homework Equations



Larmor formula
P=\frac{\mu_0 q^2a^2}{6\pi c}

The Attempt at a Solution


In this problem acceleration depends on x: from Coulomb's law and Newton second Law: F=\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}\frac{qQ}{x^2}=m\ddot{x}. We don't know the time spent by particle q in its travel in order to compute total energy radiated.
From linear momentum p=m\dot{x}, we have \dot{p}=m\ddot{x} and \dot{p}=\frac{dE}{dx}.
E is the energy of particle, the sum of kinetic and electrostatic potential energy: E=\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2+\frac{1}{4\pi \epsilon_0}\frac{qQ}{x}.
But \frac{dE}{dx}=\frac{dE}{dt}\frac{dt}{dx} and I can write Larmor formula as:
P=\frac{\mu_0 q^2}{6\pi cm^2}\left(\frac{dE}{dt}\frac{dt}{dx}\right)\left(\frac{dE}{dx}\right)
The fraction asked is:
f=\frac{P}{\frac{dE}{dt}}=\frac{\mu_0 q^3Q}{24\pi^2 \epsilon_0 cm^2x^2\dot{x}}
I have differentiate E with respect to x.
I don't know how to evaluate "f" and I don't know if my approach is correct.
Any help? Thanks in advance!
 
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Hello 987oscar. Welcome to PF!

##\small P## is the rate of creation of radiation energy: ##\small P## ## = \frac{dE_{rad}}{dt}##. The energy of the particle, ##\small E##, is assumed to remain essentially constant according to the phrase "you can safely ignore the effect of radiative losses on the motion of the particle".

Note ##\small P## ## = \frac{dE_{rad}}{dt} = \frac{dE_{rad}}{dx} \small \dot{x}##. Use this for the left side of the Larmor formula and try to see where to go from there.

[EDIT: Alternately, you can try the substitution ##\small P## ## = \frac{dE_{rad}}{dt} = \frac{dE_{rad}}{dv} \small \dot{v}##, where ##\small v## is the speed of the particle. I believe this substitution will make life easier!]
 
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Hello TSny:
Yes! as \ddot{x}=\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{qQ}{mx^2}, I can write Larmor formula as:\frac{dE_{rad}}{dx}\dot{x}=\frac{\mu_0q^4Q^2}{96\pi^3\epsilon_0^2cm^2x^4}.
But from Energy Conservation: \frac{1}{2}mv_0^2=\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2+\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{qQ}{x}, so I find \dot{x}=\sqrt{V_0^2-\frac{1}{2\pi\epsilon_0 m}\frac{qQ}{x}}.
Particle goes from infinity to x_0=\frac{qQ}{2\pi\epsilon_0mv_0^2} and returns out to infinity. I have integrated E_{rad} from x_0 to infinity and finally I could get the correct answer.
Thank you very much! :smile:
 
Great! That's the way I did it at first, also. If you want, you can try the other substitution ##\small P ## ##= \frac{dE_{rad}}{dt} = \frac{dE_{rad}}{dv} \dot{v} =\frac{dE_{rad}}{dv} a##. I found the integration easier in this case.
 
Ok. Iwill try that way too...
Thanks again
 

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