Energy stored in a device (Charged Capacitor)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the energy stored in a charged capacitor, specifically a metallic sphere on a van de Graaf generator. The problem involves understanding the relationships between charge, voltage, and capacitance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the formula for energy storage and the necessary variables, questioning how to derive voltage from charge and radius. There are discussions about charge density and its relevance to the problem, as well as the differentiation of charge.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between charge, voltage, and energy, suggesting that the maximum energy case occurs when the capacitor is fully charged. There is ongoing exploration of whether certain information, like the radius, is necessary for solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the application of formulas and the relevance of certain parameters, indicating a need for clarification on concepts like charge density and differentiation in the context of this problem.

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Homework Statement


The metallic sphere on top of a large van de Graaf generator has a radius of 2.0 m. Suppose that the sphere carries a charge of 3x10-5 C. How much energy is stored in this device?

Homework Equations


So the equation I must use is this: U = 1/2C(ΔV)^2
Q is given; 3 x 10 ^ -5C
To find ΔV, I'd first the formula :V = Q/(4∏ε0r)



The Attempt at a Solution


Then it's simply a matter of plugging the numbers. The formula I'm not sure is how to find ΔV from the information, I'm not sure I'd be using the right one.
 
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What's the magic word beginning with d ?
 
CWatters said:
What's the magic word beginning with d ?

Oh, I have to find the charge density don't I? Bear with me, I'm still quite confused with all of that...

So, charge density of a sphere: p = Q/V, V = (4∏r3)/3

Would I use this as my Q in the above formula?
 
I meant d for differentiate .

Somewhat informally..

Q=VC
V=Q/C
dV = dQ/C

dQ = the amount of charge when fully charged - the amount of charge when discharged

= 3x10-5 - 0
 
CWatters said:
I meant d for differentiate .

Somewhat informally..

Q=VC
V=Q/C
dV = dQ/C

dQ = the amount of charge when fully charged - the amount of charge when discharged

= 3x10-5 - 0

Ok I'm sorry but I'm not following you on this one, this isn't something I've seen in class
 
It's probably simpler than you think.

The max energy case is with it charged to some voltage V, The minimium energy state is with it discharged (zero volts) so ΔV is just V. Likewise for ΔQ.

U = 1/2C(V)2

now
Q=VC so
V = Q/C

then substitute for V giving

U = 1/2*C*(Q/C)2
= Q2/2C
 
CWatters said:
It's probably simpler than you think.

The max energy case is with it charged to some voltage V, The minimium energy state is with it discharged (zero volts) so ΔV is just V. Likewise for ΔQ.

U = 1/2C(V)2

now
Q=VC so
V = Q/C

then substitute for V giving

U = 1/2*C*(Q/C)2
= Q2/2C

Thanks! It is simpler than I thought... So in that case I don't need the radius of the generator to solve it, it's basically an unnecessary information given?
 

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