Energy Stored in Elastic Bodies

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The problem involves a 2-kg block falling onto a spring, with questions related to gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, and the spring constant. The context includes energy conservation principles and the mechanics of elastic bodies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of gravitational potential energy, with some suggesting that the total height should include the compression of the spring. There is uncertainty about the correct height to use in the potential energy formula.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the potential energy calculations, noting discrepancies between the original poster's results and expected values. There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions regarding the height used in the calculations, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the spring's equilibrium position and how it affects the potential energy calculations. There is mention of the instructor's input, which adds another layer of complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



A 2-kg block falls from rest a vertical distance of 0.75 meters above the top of a spring. The block lands on top of the spring compressing it 0.35 meters from its equlibrium position.


a) What is the gravitational potential energy of the 2-kg mass just before it is dropped above the spring?

b) Determine the speed of the mass at the instant the mass makes contact with the uncompressed spring.

c) Using the conservation of energy, calculate the spring's spring constant.

d) If you could place a 1-kg mass on the same spring and could push down compressing the spring 0.50 meters from its equlibrium position, how high would a 1-kg mass be fired vertically if you released the compressed spring?



Homework Equations



PE (Gravitational) = m*g*h
PE (Spring) = (1/2)*(spring constant)*(distance compressed)
KE = (1/2)(m)(v^2)



The Attempt at a Solution



I first tried to start part a by using my first equation.

I got:

PE = (2 kg)(9.81 m/s^2)(.75 m)
PE = 14.715 J

Now my instructor told me that the answer to this part was 21.6 J so I already got something wrong here.

Anyway, for part b:

I figured that the gravitational potential energy of the block before it was dropped (the answer to part a) was equal to the kinetic energy at the instant the mass makes contact with the uncompressed spring. Thus, PE (g) = KE.

14.715 J = (1/2)(2 kg)v^2
v=3.8 m/s.

My instructor said that the answer was 4.65 m/s. If I had used 21.6 J as the total KE, then I got that correct answer. So, therefore, my mistake must be somewhere in part a.

(I got parts c and d both correct but only when I utilized the 21.6 J that I was supposed to get in part a.)

Does anyone know how to get the 21.6 J for part a? Thanks. That's really the only issue in this problem.

Also, my instructor said that he did these answers by himself rather quickly, so there's a minor chance of a careless error he made. But I don't think that's the case.
 
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It seems that they are looking for the Total PE from the entire height the block falls including the compression of the spring.
 
Well I just plugged [tex]PE = (2 kg)(9.81 m/s^2)(x m)=21.6J[/tex] and found that your professor [tex]1.10m[/tex]. Maybe that can help you?
 
Saladsamurai said:
It seems that they are looking for the Total PE from the entire height the block falls including the compression of the spring.

Oh, including the compression..that would change my value from 0.75 to 1.1...

fluidistic said:
Well I just plugged [tex]PE = (2 kg)(9.81 m/s^2)(x m)=21.6J[/tex] and found that your professor [tex]1.10m[/tex]. Maybe that can help you?

Yeah, 1.1 would give out 21.6. But I'm not sure why to use 1.1 instead of 0.75 because the block is 0.75 m above the equlibrium point of the spring.
 
DMOC said:
Yeah, 1.1 would give out 21.6. But I'm not sure why to use 1.1 instead of 0.75 because the block is 0.75 m above the equlibrium point of the spring.

But the question does ask: "What is the gravitational potential energy of the 2-kg mass just before it is dropped above the spring with respect to the spring's equilibrium position"? does it?
 

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