Energy transfer from x altitude to geosynchrous altitlude

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required for a satellite to transfer from a lower circular orbit at 400 km altitude to a geosynchronous orbit. The problem involves concepts of orbital mechanics, specifically the equations governing circular and elliptical orbits.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of energy principle and its application to the problem, questioning how to express the energy changes involved in the transfer. There are attempts to clarify the equations for kinetic and potential energy and how they relate to the energy required for the orbital transfer.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the energy equations and seeking clarification on the variables involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the semi-major axis and the use of kinetic energy formulas, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also some confusion regarding the definitions and calculations of the relevant parameters.

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Homework Statement



INTRO TO THE PROBLEM :For a circular orbit around a massive gravitating body, the speed depends on the radius according to the equation V = sqrt (GM/r) ; for elliptical orbits, the speed varies according to the equation v^2 = 2GM([ 1/r - 1/(2a), where r is the distance from the massive body and a is the semimajor axis of the ellipse (i.e., half the sum of the closest and farthest distances). A satellite can be transferred from one circular orbit (at radius r1) to a higher orbit (at radius r1) by boosting the circular speed v1 at v2 to the appropriate speed for an elliptical orbit whose distance varies between r1 and r2 , and then boosting the speed in the elliptical orbit at r2 to the circular speed v2. This is called a Hohmann transfer.

THE PROBLEM STATEMENT :
How much energy is required for the first boost in such a transfer to take a 280kg satellite from a circular orbit at a 400 km altitude to the altitude of a geosynchronous orbit?

change in K_1 = _________J

Homework Equations




stated above in the intro

The Attempt at a Solution



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The conservation of energy still works doesn't it?

(Potential + Kinetic) before + Energy = (Potential + Kinetic) after?
 
so,

1/2mv^2 - GMm/r = 1/2mv^2 - GMm/r

?
 
tnutty said:
so,

1/2mv^2 - GMm/r = 1/2mv^2 - GMm/r

?

The Δ anyway. Mustn't that be the additional energy?
 
I'm sorry i am confused
 
tnutty said:
I'm sorry i am confused

You have initial potential energy and kinetic energy in lower orbit.

You add energy.

You get a higher orbit with kinetic energy and potential energy.
 
how about saying it mathematically. can you start me off?
 
tnutty said:
how about saying it mathematically. can you start me off?

You have the equation below. I'm sure you can do it.

Besides if it comes up on a quiz, I won't be there to start you off. It's good practice.
 
So what's the formula to delta k ?
 
  • #10
tnutty said:
So what's the formula to delta k ?

Don't they give you the formulas for how to calculate the v2's
 
  • #11
ok. r is the radius of the Earth + 400km and a is ? And that formula above v^2 =...
is delta K ?
 
  • #12
tnutty said:
ok. r is the radius of the Earth + 400km and a is ? And that formula above v^2 =...
is delta K ?

Well that's a good part of it, but strictly speaking you want to be working with ½mv² for KE. so use the v² 's that you find to determine your ½mv² 's.
 
  • #13
How would I represent (a) as? in the equation above?
 
  • #14
Don't look now, but they tell you how to determine a in the problem. If your ellipse is to vary between r1 and r2, what is the semi-major axis?
 
  • #15
(r1+r2) / 2
 
  • #16
tnutty said:
(r1+r2) / 2

That would seem so.

So plug 'em in and get'er done.
 

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