Energy variance, and pair production

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the frame-dependence of photon energy and its implications for pair production, particularly focusing on the conditions under which a photon can create an electron-positron pair. Participants explore the paradox of frame-dependent energy affecting the existence of particles, as well as the role of additional objects in the pair production process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the energy of photons is frame-dependent, raising a question about the implications for pair production and the existence of particles.
  • Another participant states that a single photon cannot create an electron-positron pair alone, as energy and momentum conservation requires an additional object, typically an atomic nucleus.
  • A participant questions whether replacing the atomic nucleus with another photon would lead to a scenario where one photon is blue-shifted and the other red-shifted.
  • Another participant suggests considering the reverse of electron-positron annihilation, where two photons are generated, and discusses the implications of center-of-mass frames on photon wavelengths and momentum conservation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for pair production, particularly regarding the role of additional objects and the implications of frame-dependence. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the role of additional particles in pair production and the dependence on reference frames, which have not been fully explored or resolved.

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Ok, so here's a question. The energy of say photons is frame-dependent. Photons are blue-shifted or red-shifted depending on my velocity towards or away from the source. However, what happens when I apply this to pair-production? For example, if my photons are energetic enough, they may create a positron-electron pair. If my photons are NOT energetic enough they don't create the pair.

However, since the energy is frame-dependent, it would seem to suggest that whether a pair is created or not is frame-dependent. The existence of particles, however, should not be frame dependent. Paradox! Obviously my logic is faulty somewhere.

Please resolve this for me. Thanks. =)
 
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A photon all by itself cannot convert into an electron-positron pair and conserve both energy and momentum. There has to be another object in the picture, typically an atomic nucleus which is normally (almost) at rest. In a reference frame in which the photon has a small energy, the nucleus has a lot of kinetic energy which can be contributed towards creating the pair.
 
What if I replace the atomic nucleus with another photon? Are you saying 1 photon will be blue-shifted and one will be red-shifted or some such?
 
Assume this occurs as the reverse of electron-positron annihilation where two photons are generated.

Take the annihilation event and work it backwards. In the center-of-mass frame of two leptons, the photons will travel in opposite directions with equal wavelength so that momentum is conserved, as jtbell elucidated.

If the center of mass has a non zero velocity, the wavelengths will not be equal.
 

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