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In the discussion about cyclic engines, participants analyze which variable might not equal zero over one complete cycle. The consensus is that Q_in, or the heat input, is the variable that cannot be zero, as it is essential for the operation of the engine. Other variables, such as work-heat in, pressure change, volume change, and temperature change, can equal zero in a cyclic process. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding thermodynamic principles, particularly the relationship between work and heat. Ultimately, the correct answer is identified as Q_in, emphasizing its critical role in engine function.
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Consider a cyclic engine.Which one of the following variables might NOT equal zero over one complete cycle? That is,some of these can be zero, but one will not be, over an entire cycle. Which one? Explain.
a) Work-Heat in
b) the amount of change pressure
c) Q_in
d) the amount of change volume
e) the amount of change temperature

Thanks in advance!
 
a) work-heat in = - variation of internal energy = 0 (cycle)
b) variation of pressure = 0 (cycle)
c) Q_in = ?
d) variation of volume = 0 (cycle)
e) variation of temperature = 0 (cycle)

So, I think that the correct answer is c) Q_in <>0 ...
 
Originally posted by bogdan
a) work-heat in = - variation of internal energy = 0 (cycle)
b) variation of pressure = 0 (cycle)
c) Q_in = ?
d) variation of volume = 0 (cycle)
e) variation of temperature = 0 (cycle)

So, I think that the correct answer is c) Q_in <>0 ...


For part a, I think that you are confusing the fact that Internal E = W- total Q. Q means the same as heat, and total Q is the sum of Q in and Q out. If Qin was equal to W, that would violate the Kelvin-Planck statement of the 2nd law of TD, which says it is impossible to construct a heat engine that can absorb energy as heat and do an equal amount of work. So a) can never be zero. But W-Q is always zero for cyclic process.
c) can also never be zero. If there is only supposed to be one answer then by Qin they mean Q total, in which case the answer is c).
 
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Well...if you say so...termodynamics is quite strange for me...
I didn't pay too much attention on part a) because I saw c), which was <>0...so...my mistake...sorry...:frown:
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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